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Ktech 35DDS Lite vs Penske Tripple

Hey guys, Looking for some advice on a Penske tripple clicker vs the Ktech DDS Lite. Both are about the same price point of about $1250.

Bike is a 100% track/race bike. I've heard great things about the DDS pro but don't have $1800 to spend which is why I've been looking at the Lite. However, for the same price I can get the top of the line Penske tripple which also has hydraulic pre load adjustment (something the DDS Lite does not have).

Seems like a no brainer to go with Penske but I can't ignore all the racers going with Ktech components. Thoughts?
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You will never adjust your preload after your initial install so don't bother. Unless you're an "expert / picky" suspension guy you'll never touch it, its not worth the extra money if not needed but Ktech is awesome and I would highly recommend the Lite.

FWIW too adjusting it manually is easy on the zx6rs some bikes the shocks buried so its easier having the hydraulic preload
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If I had money to buy anything that expensive I'd go either ohlins or K-tech. I've heard K-tech is some of the best to go with and a crap ton of EDR Performance riders use K-tech on their superbikes.
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Hey guys, Looking for some advice on a Penske tripple clicker vs the Ktech DDS Lite. Both are about the same price point of about $1250.

Bike is a 100% track/race bike. I've heard great things about the DDS pro but don't have $1800 to spend which is why I've been looking at the Lite. However, for the same price I can get the top of the line Penske tripple which also has hydraulic pre load adjustment (something the DDS Lite does not have).

Seems like a no brainer to go with Penske but I can't ignore all the racers going with Ktech components. Thoughts?
I have run both with great success however they provide feedback very differently. It is a different 'language' for lack of a better word.

I currently run the 35DDS Pro on my ZX6R which is an incredible shock. My understanding that the lite version simply has mechanical preload rather than hydraulic and does not come with the bypass circuit? If so that is a great bang for your buck. It is based on the Ohlins TTX technology so if you have ridden those, that is how they feel.

The Penske (to me) provided more feedback but I felt was a little more difficult to dial in for whatever reason.

They are both very capable shocks. Penske is American made so if that is important to you it is worth considering. On the other hand, almost all of the WSBK and WSS circuit runs K-Tech.

I guess if I had to pick one I would go with the K-Tech. It is a more modern design and easier to work with. The feedback is more than sufficient as it basically tells you everything is ok until it isn't. It doesn't pass a lot of 'noise' to the rider.

One final note: If you plan on racing at many different tracks OR if you plan on racing in the rain, the k-tech pro would be worth considering. Hydraulic preload is super easy to make adjustments. I can basically come in off of a practice session, make a few quick adjustments and go right back out. The bypass circuit is basically cheating in the rain :-p A few clicks and suddenly your bike is in 'rain mode'
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I have a Penske triple and it is awesome. Some very fast guys use them down south here and our tracks are as bumpy as they come. I've never used K-Tech.
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and our tracks are as bumpy as they come.
Ha come hangout with me and @PainfullySlo in New Hampshire at Loudon
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I have run both with great success however they provide feedback very differently. It is a different 'language' for lack of a better word.

I currently run the 35DDS Pro on my ZX6R which is an incredible shock. My understanding that the lite version simply has mechanical preload rather than hydraulic and does not come with the bypass circuit? If so that is a great bang for your buck. It is based on the Ohlins TTX technology so if you have ridden those, that is how they feel.

The Penske (to me) provided more feedback but I felt was a little more difficult to dial in for whatever reason.

They are both very capable shocks. Penske is American made so if that is important to you it is worth considering. On the other hand, almost all of the WSBK and WSS circuit runs K-Tech.

I guess if I had to pick one I would go with the K-Tech. It is a more modern design and easier to work with. The feedback is more than sufficient as it basically tells you everything is ok until it isn't. It doesn't pass a lot of 'noise' to the rider.

One final note: If you plan on racing at many different tracks OR if you plan on racing in the rain, the k-tech pro would be worth considering. Hydraulic preload is super easy to make adjustments. I can basically come in off of a practice session, make a few quick adjustments and go right back out. The bypass circuit is basically cheating in the rain :-p A few clicks and suddenly your bike is in 'rain mode'
Awesome feedback, thank you. I've also heard from more than just you that Ktech is less touchy various conditions than the Penske.

Interesting about the pro too. I would definitely spring for it but it's just not practical for my current budget. As a side note though, Ktech says that the Lite can be upgraded to the pro with hydraulic preload and bypass valve. So theoretically i could buy the Lite, and when budget allows upgrade it later.
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Ha come hangout with me and @PainfullySlo in New Hampshire at Loudon
I don't at all doubt New Hampshire is bumpy and I haven't ridden it. That being said, I've seen youtube videos and for shits and giggles I google mapped it. After looking at it and then looking at TWS, I think there is enough filler and patches in this roughly 0.25 mile stretch of TWS to have completed most all the repairs I could see at New Hampshire. And the other 2.65 miles of TWS aren't a whole lot better. Not that that is a contest you really want to win though haha.

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Shit, that's a lot of money. I would get a used Ohlins TTX instead. They're more common than the K-tech since the brand's been around for a long time and you can get a used one for $700-800, even less if you get lucky (I bought one for $500 once). And that has hydraulic preload too. There's a reason almost all the pro teams in GP and WSBK run Ohlins...cuz it's the best!

Granted for us lower level folks, you can't really go wrong with any of them...Ohlins, K-tech, Penske, JRi, Elka, Mupo, Nitron, etc....they're all much better than the stock one and most of us probably wouldn't notice much of a difference between them.

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That pavement looks worse than Interstate 880 that I commute on every day - and it does a fair impression of a WWI trench system in places.....
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And yeah, some of the Texas tracks that CMRA races at are notorious for being bumpy as hell! One of my local tracks (Raceway Park of the Midlands), is by far the worst shape track I've ever been on and some of the CMRA guys go there for track days early in the season to set up their bikes better for the Texas tracks cuz they know it'll be similar lol

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I don't at all doubt New Hampshire is bumpy and I haven't ridden it. That being said, I've seen youtube videos and for shits and giggles I google mapped it. After looking at it and then looking at TWS, I think there is enough filler and patches in this roughly 0.25 mile stretch of TWS to have completed most all the repairs I could see at New Hampshire. And the other 2.65 miles of TWS aren't a whole lot better. Not that that is a contest you really want to win though haha.

Just...wow.

I am curious what causes that much damage? Up here we get frost heaves a LOT. Like, our track changes every year from it. We go out in the spring at 75% because we know there will be at least one new 'feature' on the track surface.

I am assuming that frost isn't an issue down in Texas. What causes all those issues?
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Shit, that's a lot of money. I would get a used Ohlins TTX instead. They're more common than the K-tech since the brand's been around for a long time and you can get a used one for $700-800, even less if you get lucky (I bought one for $500 once). And that has hydraulic preload too. There's a reason almost all the pro teams in GP and WSBK run Ohlins...cuz it's the best!

Granted for us lower level folks, you can't really go wrong with any of them...Ohlins, K-tech, Penske, JRi, Elka, Mupo, Nitron, etc....they're all much better than the stock one and most of us probably wouldn't notice much of a difference between them.
I originally wrote Ohlins off as being too expensive, but after getting a few quotes from some knowledgeable suspension folks, I'm actually leaning more towards a new TTX GP shock. Always heard great things about Ohlins and there's a ton of support out there for them. Also, it turns out I can get one for around the same price as the Ktech Lite.

For someone like me, who's faced with SO MANY OPTIONS when upgrading the shock, I have to say this can be a bit overwhelming
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Look up Lindemann Engineering and talk to Ed Sorbo out there in CA for another opinion, he is a good guy to talk to and will actually explain things to you in a way you will understand even if he has to go over something with you 4 times he makes sure you understand. He is a great guy to work with.

I have ran Penske shocks on everything from 250GP bikes to the 600's I am running now and like them, great product. That said, K-Tech overseas is HUGE and they are trying to get into the market here, they have a huge following over on the Irish roads and Isle of Man, they know how to handle bumps better than most...

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Kyle racing has some good deals on Ohlins shocks. I would give them a call. Kyle Racing - Roadracing Motorcycles

This is one of their ebay listings. Price 1,119$. Ohlins TTX GP Shock Kawasaki ZX6R 636cc 2013-2016 KA338 New TTX GP Series 1 | eBay
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