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post #46 of 83 Old 04-16-2017, 09:13 PM Thread Starter
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Video from earlier today from a couple of the afternoon sessions. The little hill crest at the end of the straight when you go by that wall is called Alpha, or Turn 0. It is probably the most dangerous part of any track that I've been too so far. Wouldn't be so bad in a race, but at a track day, you have to worry about people coming onto the track in that same spot at a much slower speed. It is THE most critical place to really respect the blend line. There have been cases of people going like 40-50 mph crossed the blend line into oncoming traffic from over that hill and got rear ended by people going 130-140 mph.

On a different note, I think I went too much on the fork spring stiffness. Apparently going up 1 size on both made them too stiff now. Even under the hardest braking, my zip-tie was still around 25-30 mm from the bottom. I might replace just one of them and end up with 10.25 N/mm instead of the 10.5 I have now. Before, both were 10 N/mm and it felt too soft with a lot of preload on. Now I don't even have any preload on them. I just don't see how going up 1 size made such a huge difference.


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On a different note, I think I went too much on the fork spring stiffness. Apparently going up 1 size on both made them too stiff now. Even under the hardest braking, my zip-tie was still around 25-30 mm from the bottom. I might replace just one of them and end up with 10.25 N/mm instead of the 10.5 I have now. Before, both were 10 N/mm and it felt too soft with a lot of preload on. Now I don't even have any preload on them. I just don't see how going up 1 size made such a huge difference.
Easiest way to fix that is to gain some weight

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Back to my home track again tomorrow for a track day and the first race of the season! Weather is looking to be absolutely perfect...sunny, not too windy with highs in the upper 70s. Much excite!

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Well...off to a bad start unfortunately. Weather was great, bikes ran fine, track was fine, but I was not for whatever reason. You always hear of people being a bit rusty at the beginning of a season when they haven't ridden in awhile, but apparently I took that too a whole new level.

On the R3, I was about 8-9 seconds slower than I was last year on the 500. Ok, so maybe it's because it's a new to me bike and it has the stock shitty suspensions still, but there's no way that makes up for such a big difference. On the ZX6R I was also about 9 seconds slower than my race pace from the end of last year. There's no excuse for that. Nothing to do with the bike. And that's the worst part about it, is that I have NO CLUE, how/why I was so much slower. I have no explanation for it which sucks because that means I don't know how to fix it. My guess is it's some sort of mental barrier that I hit after the off-season, but who knows! The pace I ran at the end of last year would've put me in the fight for 3rd-4th out of 14, but was so much slower today that I finished 13th...only beat a guy who was doing his first race ever after just a handful of track days and he got lapped by everyone.

To say that I'm disappointed is an understatement
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Someone snapped a picture of you trying to figure out what was wrong while at the pits . . . .





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Well...off to a bad start unfortunately. Weather was great, bikes ran fine, track was fine, but I was not for whatever reason. You always hear of people being a bit rusty at the beginning of a season when they haven't ridden in awhile, but apparently I took that too a whole new level.

On the R3, I was about 8-9 seconds slower than I was last year on the 500. Ok, so maybe it's because it's a new to me bike and it has the stock shitty suspensions still, but there's no way that makes up for such a big difference. On the ZX6R I was also about 9 seconds slower than my race pace from the end of last year. There's no excuse for that. Nothing to do with the bike. And that's the worst part about it, is that I have NO CLUE, how/why I was so much slower. I have no explanation for it which sucks because that means I don't know how to fix it. My guess is it's some sort of mental barrier that I hit after the off-season, but who knows! The pace I ran at the end of last year would've put me in the fight for 3rd-4th out of 14, but was so much slower today that I finished 13th...only beat a guy who was doing his first race ever after just a handful of track days and he got lapped by everyone.

To say that I'm disappointed is an understatement
Sorry to hear that man but I'm sure you're not alone. Our first round was April 29-30th and I hadn't been on track since mid September either. I felt a bit rusty myself in some areas and my times suffered as well. I was super frustrated with my results and times but I feel confident that I know where I was lagging. I can only imagine your frustration not knowing where you went wrong. Maybe you can compare some gopro footage from this round to last year and get a better idea? I gotta believe some more seat time this season and you'll start coming into form.
I get to try and redeem myself in round 2 this weekend in the rain with 55 degree temps! Yay Oregon!

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Compare your data logger data from last season (same track) with this time out. You might find it's just small differences throughout most/all corners adding up throughout the lap
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Sorry to hear that man but I'm sure you're not alone. Our first round was April 29-30th and I hadn't been on track since mid September either. I felt a bit rusty myself in some areas and my times suffered as well. I was super frustrated with my results and times but I feel confident that I know where I was lagging. I can only imagine your frustration not knowing where you went wrong. Maybe you can compare some gopro footage from this round to last year and get a better idea? I gotta believe some more seat time this season and you'll start coming into form.
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Compare your data logger data from last season (same track) with this time out. You might find it's just small differences throughout most/all corners adding up throughout the lap
Oh I analyzed the shit out of it (nice thing of having a data-logger). But I saw exactly what I was expecting to see....going slower in each single turn. Slowed down too much for the turns and got back on the gas too late, in every single one of them. But I can't explain why I did that. To me, while I was on track, it felt like I was flying, just like I remember from end of last year...but numbers showed a different story. It's as if I lost my sense of speed, and what felt like "fast" now, was slow last year and what felt like comfortable quick pace last year, felt like "oh shit, I'm gonna crash because I'm going too fast" now

Next weekend I'm going racing again...actual racing. So far the plan is to do 6 races (3 on the R3 and 3 on the ZX6R), plus several practice sessions. Hoping to redeem myself, however it is at a track that I've only been to once 2 years ago, and I was not a big fan of it then. Either way...nothing helps more than seat time right?
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Oh I analyzed the shit out of it (nice thing of having a data-logger). But I saw exactly what I was expecting to see....going slower in each single turn. Slowed down too much for the turns and got back on the gas too late, in every single one of them. But I can't explain why I did that. To me, while I was on track, it felt like I was flying, just like I remember from end of last year...but numbers showed a different story. It's as if I lost my sense of speed, and what felt like "fast" now, was slow last year and what felt like comfortable quick pace last year, felt like "oh shit, I'm gonna crash because I'm going too fast" now

Next weekend I'm going racing again...actual racing. So far the plan is to do 6 races (3 on the R3 and 3 on the ZX6R), plus several practice sessions. Hoping to redeem myself, however it is at a track that I've only been to once 2 years ago, and I was not a big fan of it then. Either way...nothing helps more than seat time right?
Man that is tough to hear. They always say mental is as much as physical in sports and even more so in racing probably. Maybe you were just having an off day? Everyone has those. Get a good nights rest and wish you the best man. Hopefully you'll get out of that funk.

Something should go here..I just haven't though of anything clever enough yet.
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Prolly got the wrong tires. You should get q3s as per the tire thread.

Everyone is rusty after a long offseason, and I know you don't ride on the street so that isn't helping. Gotta shake the rust off man. I've been there in other forms of racing myself.

I remember running a practice session a week before a race a year or two ago and I honestly didn't even want to race it was so bad. Then I got the holeshot second or third moto. Takes a little bit of time to get back into it
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I never feel rusty because I ride every day

Get a street bike or, even better, a z125 or grom. Go to parking lots and let it rip.
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Get a street bike or, even better, a z125 or grom. Go to parking lots and let it rip.
Not the same thing. Not even close. In fact I do ride the Z's and 300s in parking lots when I teach the MSF classes, and I had already done that 3 times this year.

It's not like I completely forgot to ride. I think I just forgot how to ride FAST....lost the sense of faster corner speed. Stuff that I can't practice on the street anyway. Even at the slower pace I was going last saturday, it was still WAAAAY faster than I would ever do on the street.
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Coming back after a long break the most common issue is that your sense of speed is off. You feel like you are faster so your survival reactions kick in sooner causing you to slow down. Seat time fixes this. Go out, practice, and push. It will come back fast.

I have a bit of this going on myself...
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