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post #31 of 57 Old 01-24-2017, 11:23 AM
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Maybe we are luckier than I thought to have Pirelli contingency... I figured if we got it so did everyone else.
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So much hate on the Dunlops! Why don't you like them?

You can pick up a 190 rear for like $165. I haven't actually tried Pirelli, so I can't speak to the comparison, but I love the Dunlops. Tons of grip, super predictable and you can't beat the price.
Well then you'd really like Pirellis if you think Dunrocks are grippy and predictable. The only thing they have going for them is price and they last a fair bit longer. But the feel and grip is just not at the same level as some of the others IMO. Pirellis were the last ones I tried actually and loved them instantly! I was a Bridgestone guy first, then tried Dunlops, then Michelins and finally Pirelli.

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Maybe we are luckier than I thought to have Pirelli contingency... I figured if we got it so did everyone else.
That is awesome for you guys, but definitely not the norm. In CCS pretty much all the fast guys run on Pirellis, and a handful on Michelins even though neither of them pay contingency. I guess people are willing to forfeit the contingency in order to do better in the races. There are some guys that are really fast who managed to get some sponsorship from them, but the select "elite" few like PSlo said.
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Changing the timing map is something that is done inside the ECU. Basically when an engine fires its cylinder the piston is already on the way down. The resulting explosion pushes the piston down and we have a running engine. We advance the timing so that the cylinder is fired closer to top dead center, meaning that the compression is at its highest and the resulting detonation is more powerful a.k.a more horsepower. You have to be careful with this as tolerances inside our bikes are very tight and if you advance the timing too much your piston will meet your valves as they will not have time to close. As you might imagine, this is kind of critical :-p
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So much hate on the Dunlops! Why don't you like them?

You can pick up a 190 rear for like $165. I haven't actually tried Pirelli, so I can't speak to the comparison, but I love the Dunlops. Tons of grip, super predictable and you can't beat the price.
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Well then you'd really like Pirellis if you think Dunrocks are grippy and predictable. The only thing they have going for them is price and they last a fair bit longer. But the feel and grip is just not at the same level as some of the others IMO. Pirellis were the last ones I tried actually and loved them instantly! I was a Bridgestone guy first, then tried Dunlops, then Michelins and finally Pirelli.
I personally have to disagree. I prefer the firmer tire of the Dunlops. It's just a preference and riding style thing I guess. I don't like the squishy feeling I get on the Pirelli's.

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Jody Berry who did well in the 390 CUP will be racing in MotoAmerica on a 636, so hopefully that will put the bike in the spotlight.
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Saw your pics from CVMA! Looked like a nice weekend! How'd ya do?
Not good, I was not use to the track and rusty since I haven't rode in months but I had a lot of fun!!
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I personally have to disagree. I prefer the firmer tire of the Dunlops. It's just a preference and riding style thing I guess. I don't like the squishy feeling I get on the Pirelli's.
True...we're talking tires though...there's gonna be an opinion for every type pretty much. It's all personal preference. I was just stating my preferences and when people ask me about tires I always tell them what I PERSONALLY choose, but suggest they try them all, or as many as they can. That's what I did, and how I got to my conclusion. What works for someone may not work as well for others. Some people swear by Michelins...but when I tried them (both slicks and DOT's), I just wasn't seeing it. Not my cup of tea...at least not the rears. The fronts are good.

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Jody Berry who did well in the 390 CUP will be racing in MotoAmerica on a 636, so hopefully that will put the bike in the spotlight.
So who's faster? Jody or Mark? I feel like out of all of the guys on the team, Farrell would have the best chance of doing well!
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So who's faster? Jody or Mark? I feel like out of all of the guys on the team, Farrell would have the best chance of doing well!
Jody was faster by over a second, and Mark is very fast. I think Jody was running 1:52s at Chuckwalla.
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Jody was faster by over a second, and Mark is very fast. I think Jody was running 1:52s at Chuckwalla.
He made it down to the 1:51's. Which, for his first time ever at that track, is pretty awesome. Freaking Benny Solis run's something like 47's though...that guy is an animal.

I'm hoping for 1:55's soon, but low 50's just seems completely unattainable haha.

Benny also made it to the front page of Road Racing World: Benny Solis Stars In CVMA Action At Chuckwalla
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He made it down to the 1:51's. Which, for his first time ever at that track, is pretty awesome. Freaking Benny Solis run's something like 47's though...that guy is an animal.

I'm hoping for 1:55's soon, but low 50's just seems completely unattainable haha.

Benny also made it to the front page of Road Racing World: Benny Solis Stars In CVMA Action At Chuckwalla
Very awesome. Barry has talent, there is no doubting that! I look forward to watching him race in MA.

I was going so slow at Chuck, I have 0 talent LOL
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Firstly, it makes me happy seeing you regulars all in one thread lol. As far as power is concerned with IMHO, it means absolutely nothing if you haven't a clue how to put in a corner. Anyone on anything can go fast...be it a baby mama in her beater or Rossi on his rocket. Educating yourself on HOW to ride is what will make you fast.

But nevertheless some good insight! I am awfully curious how much of a difference the 09-12 V-stacks would feel top end.

I take it when you guys were talking tires, your talking strictly race slicks correct? I have ran Bridgestone S20's, then Pirelli Diablow's Rosso II's and lost the rear several times one of which landed me in a lowslide. Now I am not blaming it all on the tire, but being as that is the first thing that touches the road and keeps me alive it has to have some responsibility in these instances. Came back to S21's and confidence in the corner was regained. I am curious how the Q3's would feel in comparison to the S21's. But unfortunately I won't know until 2018 as my bike is in storage this year.

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You might not be able to attend his school, but you guys have some sexy tracks, sexy roads, and crazy fast guys. I have been watching the 2016 season of BSB and guys like Shayne Burns, and Leon Haslam are effing FAST!

Back to OP, somewhere along the ways someone said that since we do in fact have 37cc extra in this class, there are certain restrictions MA or other orgs do to the bike(Restrictor Plates, head gaskets thickness etc.) I think it was @Backmarker ?

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I was going so slow at Chuck, I have 0 talent LOL
Slow is smooth and smooth is fast! I saw your pics too! You looked great right off the startline...into space
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Do the Daytonas get to race in this class? If so, they've got a whopping 76cc more.

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Do the Daytonas get to race in this class? If so, they've got a whopping 76cc more.
But a me less power even though they have the 76 more ccs than other 600cc motorcycle and only 39 more than the ZX6R

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