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Do the Daytonas get to race in this class? If so, they've got a whopping 76cc more.
But make less power even though they have the 76 more ccs than other 600cc motorcycle and only 39 more than the ZX6R

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But make less power even though they have the 76 more ccs than other 600cc motorcycle and only 39 more than the ZX6R
Not to mention they are just not as reliable as a solid Japanese bike. Maybe they are better now but about 5 years ago a teammate of mine was racing one and we went through three engines in one year. It kept swallowing valves.
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They also don't redline nearly as high as our bikes. I almost bought a 675 back before my 636. I've been very happy with my choice
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Not to mention they are just not as reliable as a solid Japanese bike. Maybe they are better now but about 5 years ago a teammate of mine was racing one and we went through three engines in one year. It kept swallowing valves.
I don't know about your teammate but I know a bunch of people went "hey if I bump up the Rev limiter 500 rpm this thing really moves!", then next thing you know everyone is complaining about how they all eat themselves. Stress on engine components with rpm is not linear as the rpm increases... that said I still would trust a Japanese 4 more.
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On tire's my bike came with Cup's and I just love these things.

On the Daytona, if you come from a 16k reline machine you better have a hard rev limiter.
I've know of more than one person having engine issues until they learned the red lines aren't at the same RPM.
After riding a Triumph Tiger 1050 and Speed Triple 1050 for 7 years I still have a hard time with the RPM's on the Ninja. I'm short shifting since I'm used to shift by ear.
One is red line, one is in the power band.
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It seems to me that these bikes are almost like cheating in the middleweight SuperSport class.

Between the added 37ccs and the fact that you can legally bump the compression with a thinner head gasket (since we've been blessed with a STUPID thick OEM one) and degree the cams, how are more people not interested in using the '13+ as a racing platform?

Does the R6 have a thick head gasket that can easily be swapped for a thinner one as well?

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I race with OMMRA and the 636 was not allowed in our "600 Supersport" class until we recently voted to allow it for 2017. Those in favor cited that there hadn't been any clear cut evidence of a significant advantage since it hadn't won any 600 superbike or 750 superbike races. It also passed due to the fact that it is allowed in WMRRA and AFM and it makes it easier on those riders when they want to race with OMRRA at PIR. I am anxious to see how they fair this season, especially since our reigning 600 ss champion (MA 600 superstock rider Andy Dibrino) will be racing for the Overall championship on a 1000 this year.

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Not sure, I only looked at CCS contingencies, and Bridgestone was one of the companies that offered some. I imagine they offer it for other organizations as well, so look into it if you're willing to run Bridgestones.
Bridgestone sponsors our novice classes and offers a nice contingency for podium finishes and end of season top bridgestone rider. I was thinking of switching to bridgestone as well. Until I read PS's quote below lol
I need to check with the Pirelli dealer first about a possible contingency since they seem to work so well with our bikes.

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Call it the top percent of each class then. The point is that it is for dedicated winners.



No amount of money would have me racing on tomb...err bridgestones.
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I personally have to disagree. I prefer the firmer tire of the Dunlops. It's just a preference and riding style thing I guess. I don't like the squishy feeling I get on the Pirelli's.

Besides... I ride the D...

For race tires I have only ridden Dunlop D211 N-Tecs and GPA Pro's. I have had the unfortunate experience of using them without warmers as well. Absolute fear inspiring! They are scary stiff and slick to say the least in cold temps. I do like them when I use warmers, but I really have never gotten used to them under hard braking. I get some sort of chatter, it could be suspension related but I never felt it when I was using Rosso Corsas.

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Do the Daytonas get to race in this class? If so, they've got a whopping 76cc more.
They only have 3 cylinders which is why they're allowed in most orgs. The Ducati 848 is also allowed since it's a twin.
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ugh wtf wasnt the ama or motoamerica in 2013 racing the 636 in the supersport class? formula extreme or whatever?
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I race with OMMRA and the 636 was not allowed in our "600 Supersport" class until we recently voted to allow it for 2017. Those in favor cited that there hadn't been any clear cut evidence of a significant advantage since it hadn't won any 600 superbike or 750 superbike races. It also passed due to the fact that it is allowed in WMRRA and AFM and it makes it easier on those riders when they want to race with OMRRA at PIR. I am anxious to see how they fair this season, especially since the reigning champion (MA 600 superstock rider Andy Dibrino) will be racing for the Overall championship on a 1000 this year.
Dibrino won MA 600 superstock in 2016?!! I thought Bryce Prince did??

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Dibrino won MA 600 superstock in 2016?!! I thought Bryce Prince did??
No, Dibrino is Omrra's 600 supersport champ but also races MA superstock. He races his EDR built R6. This year he says he is only racing 5 MA rounds so he can focus on winning Omrra's #1 plate. He'll be racing in the Formula Ultra races vs a former MA rider Devon McDonough. I am especially anxious to see those two head to head! And the next 3 guys in that class are no slouches either.
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No, Dibrino is Omrra's 600 supersport champ but also races MA superstock. He races his EDR built R6. This year he says he is only racing 5 MA rounds so he can focus on winning Omrra's #1 plate. He'll be racing in the Formula Ultra races vs a former MA rider Devon McDonough. I am especially anxious to see those two head to head! And the next 3 guys in that class are no slouches either.
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No worries I follow him on intssgram and Facebook and was thinking if I had missed that, but since he did not win MA I didn't miss anything lol

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I am just going to leave this here. This is from BSS 2016 season...



This is what happens when you don't force riders to use Dunlop tires :-p

In all honesty it is one of my biggest concerns about running MA is getting used to having a lot less traction and the harder sidewall compounds of the Dunlops.
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I am just going to leave this here. This is from BSS 2016 season...



This is what happens when you don't force riders to use Dunlop tires :-p

In all honesty it is one of my biggest concerns about running MA is getting used to having a lot less traction and the harder sidewall compounds of the Dunlops.
I know when Farrell and Jody were out here at Chuckwalla they ran Dunlops for the same reason...getting used to them for MA.
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