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post #1 of 21 Old 03-28-2017, 09:31 AM Thread Starter
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So I am thinking I eventually would like to make it out to the track. I don't see myself making it out there this year, as I work every weekend and would have to take time off for these days. I figure though that gives me time to find another bike to take there as I don't think I want to take my good one. I have been riding for 9 years, and have had a ninja 250, 2007 R6, 2008 R6, and now my 13 ZX6R.

So here is the question.

How many guys are running 300's at the track. Do all tracks allow 300's?

My ZX6R is built for the track minus a few things, but I just can't see myself taking that beauty to the track. I wanted to learn how to work on the bike so I figured I would build it up a bit. I would be to nervous to put it down. The guys who did my tuning at MCJ Motorsports told me to bring it out and just to not go fast, but I still would be jacked if I put it down.

So should I buy a ninja 300 when I find one at a reasonable price and build it for the track? I would like to purchase a Ducati 959 Panigale as my final supersport, but that it obviously a lot more money. That would allow to me take the ZX6R to the track. I just dunno, I have time, but figured I would get it all figured out incase something comes my way. What do you guys think?

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I'm sure all tracks allow ninja 300's, just sign up with the right group. I've used my 300 with great results but there really isn't a reason for not using your 636 unless you're afraid of insurance coverage in case of a crash. Otherwise low power mode and traction control would tone the power down or at least calm your fears a bit.

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My first track bike was an under powered (for the class) Triumph TT600, it had great handling, had good brakes and the motor was pretty mellow for a 600. The best part about that bike was that I could throw it down the track without losing sleep over it. I ended up dropping that bike twice on the track. The second time ended my time with that bike.

I then moved into a 2003 636, it was a bit pricier than the TT600, but not so much a crash would upset me. I rode that bike for a year and didn't crash so I thought it was time to move into a newer bike.

I got a 2013 MV Agusta and proceeded to crash it my first track day on it.....
But then I rode that bike for a year and a half more without crashing.
Now I am on an RSV4 that I have been having great success with.

The moral of this story is if you are new to track riding, having a bike that is cheap enough you can throw it away takes some of the stress out and just lets you focus on riding.

I would advise you to buy a bike that is already track prepped. The 300s are cool, but I have some friends that just dumped $15,000 into their R3s (including purchase of new bike). This is an extreme example of how expensive building a bike can be, even a 300!

WERA is a great place to find used track bikes for a reasonable price. Look for 250s, 300s, SV650s or even a 600 that are already built, you will save a bunch!

Hopefully at some point in my rambling, incoherent response there was something close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Hopefully no one in this forum is now dumber for having read to it. I should get no points, and may God have mercy on my soul.
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If the ultimate goal is to have the Panigale I would say track the zx6. I bought my ZX6 with the intention of track only duty but have loved it as a street bike and still use it for both. I have crashed it at the track but it could happen on the street just as easily.

When I brought my zx6 home my buddy undid a strap that he shouldn't have and the bike slammed against the side of my truck and did a lot of damage to the bike. So ultimately you don't even have to be riding for damage to occur.
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I'm sure all tracks allow ninja 300's, just sign up with the right group. I've used my 300 with great results but there really isn't a reason for not using your 636 unless you're afraid of insurance coverage in case of a crash. Otherwise low power mode and traction control would tone the power down or at least calm your fears a bit.
Not worried about insurance, the bike is paid off, and I wouldn't turn it in to the insurance if damage occurs. I just think back to the day that I had my first R6 and instead of buying a beater bike to practice wheelies, I instead 12 o'clocked it, and had to rebuild the forks, replace headlight housing, and rear tail section. It was costly, like most bikes. I would of just rather destroyed a beater bike instead of my nice one.

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Thanks man, I enjoyed the read and agree. In my opinion I would be stressed to ride it, where if I had a beater I wouldn't be so upset. That's some serious cash your boys put into their 300's. I would buy one used and just make a few adjustment. I wouldn't get into thinning the head or cam adjustments. Just little things to start.

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Just do the essential prep to the 636 and go to the track. Ride mellow enough to NOT CRASH. Many people cannot do this. I have ridden many street bikes at the track with great success. And yes, NO CRASHES for me. I do own a track only bike now but I rarely ride at the track. Just too far and too expensive and too much of a hassle. I am a MXER at heart.
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Hey guys,

So I am thinking I eventually would like to make it out to the track. I don't see myself making it out there this year, as I work every weekend and would have to take time off for these days. I figure though that gives me time to find another bike to take there as I don't think I want to take my good one. I have been riding for 9 years, and have had a ninja 250, 2007 R6, 2008 R6, and now my 13 ZX6R.

So here is the question.

How many guys are running 300's at the track. Do all tracks allow 300's?

My ZX6R is built for the track minus a few things, but I just can't see myself taking that beauty to the track. I wanted to learn how to work on the bike so I figured I would build it up a bit. I would be to nervous to put it down. The guys who did my tuning at MCJ Motorsports told me to bring it out and just to not go fast, but I still would be jacked if I put it down.

So should I buy a ninja 300 when I find one at a reasonable price and build it for the track? I would like to purchase a Ducati 959 Panigale as my final supersport, but that it obviously a lot more money. That would allow to me take the ZX6R to the track. I just dunno, I have time, but figured I would get it all figured out incase something comes my way. What do you guys think?
Go take a few stiff drinks. Then go out to your garage. Push your ZX6R over right there. Then stand it back up, and go to the track.

I dunno, I think if you are familiar with this bike and want to learn to ride THIS bike better, than riding it on the track seems reasonable. If you lowside, do you think you're going to do less damage than the cost of a new 300?

I can ALSO see the logic of learning a track and learning some things on a smaller bike. For me, some of the positioning and feel and little stuff is very different from my small bike to my big bike, and I'm more comfortable on my big bike, but that's me. I could learn my little bike if I rode it more.

In the end, if you want a Ducati Supersport or Panigale for the track, I think it's crazy to even consider one of those if you can't bring yourself to ride your ZX6R around the track.
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Thanks man, I enjoyed the read and agree. In my opinion I would be stressed to ride it, where if I had a beater I wouldn't be so upset. That's some serious cash your boys put into their 300's. I would buy one used and just make a few adjustment. I wouldn't get into thinning the head or cam adjustments. Just little things to start.
They didn't even do any engine work! Tarmac Faction Racing has some info about their team, and their debut podium finishes.

They just went nuts with upgrading parts. It can be done for MUCH cheaper. (They did insane things like ceramic wheel bearings etc.) But they are looking for 10ths of a second over their competition. Just be careful with your wallet, it is way too easy to spend too much on upgrades!
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Any track should allow 300s and those bikes are great to start out with. You will learn a lot more starting out on a slow bike.

However, you shouldn't be afraid or worried to take the zx6r out to a track either. That's what they're made for really. I started out track days on a brand new Ducati 1198. It was a terrible choice because it was a hard bike to ride especially for someone that had only like 3000 miles of street riding experience. But even though it was a $17k bike, it didn't stop me from tracking it. If you don't want to risk crashing, just don't push as hard.

Personally I track both my zx6r and the newly acquired R3. Having a slow bike and a 600 with me at the same time is a really good combination
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I dunno, I think if you are familiar with this bike and want to learn to ride THIS bike better, than riding it on the track seems reasonable. If you lowside, do you think you're going to do less damage than the cost of a new 300?


In the end, if you want a Ducati Supersport or Panigale for the track, I think it's crazy to even consider one of those if you can't bring yourself to ride your ZX6R around the track.
I just wanna learn to ride a bit better and have always wanted to do a track day. The guys who did my tuning told me that there is a lot I could learn from a few days at the track.

And I don't want to own a Panigale to take it to the track. I want that to be a future every day rider.

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As to which bike, which ever you feel most comfortable on in a learning enviroment, but if it was me, I might bring them both.
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Don't overthink it.

If it I had the money for it I would use a RCV213 for track days.

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Eh, that's up to you. I bought my zx6 for the track specifically but I'll ride it on the street as well. Just wanted something I don't mind dropping, and this is it. Double duty as a bike I don't mind leaving in a parking lot. If crashing either of the other two would hurt your feelings, you can never have too many so guy buy another one lol
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Save the money you would spend on the 300 to put it toward the Ducati in the future. Take your current bike to the track and don't try to push your limits too far right out of the gate. You will learn more quicker if you ride at about 70% - 80% of your limit anyway (this is something they teach at California Superbike School).
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I just wanna learn to ride a bit better and have always wanted to do a track day. The guys who did my tuning told me that there is a lot I could learn from a few days at the track.

And I don't want to own a Panigale to take it to the track. I want that to be a future every day rider.
That would be a pretty terrible every day bike, but to each their own. I loved my old Ducati, but hated it on the street. Ended up being a track bike after a year of owning it...the track is where it really shines! I've ridden the 1199 and 1299, and I can't imagine having those on the street, but the Monster 821 was probably the best street bike I've ever ridden.

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