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post #46 of 57 Old 04-28-2017, 07:47 PM
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I agree, same experience last weekend. #2 doesn't work for me and just fucks everything up meaning I almost ran off the track.
Yep. Every milisecond that the clutch is disengaged means no engine braking, which means the bike doesn't slow down as quick since the brakes have to do all the work. When you're approaching a corner at 140-150 mph and you have to drop down to about 40 mph, you'd be amazed how even a few tenths of a second that you hold the clutch lever pulled, can make the difference between making the corner, and going way wide, or off the track.
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Yep. Every milisecond that the clutch is disengaged means no engine braking, which means the bike doesn't slow down as quick since the brakes have to do all the work. When you're approaching a corner at 140-150 mph and you have to drop down to about 40 mph, you'd be amazed how even a few tenths of a second that you hold the clutch lever pulled, can make the difference between making the corner, and going way wide, or off the track.
Not to mention the massive geometry change to the chassis of having an unloaded rear tire. You can easily test this by going into a corner and pulling in the clutch. Let me know how that feels
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Not to mention the massive geometry change to the chassis of having an unloaded rear tire. You can easily test this by going into a corner and pulling in the clutch. Let me know how that feels
A couple of years ago at my home track my friends and I were watching from the fence at the end of the front straight and we spotted a guy on a zx6r that was always pulling the clutch in and holding it every time he would go through turn 1. I couldn't believe that someone riding at the track would ride like that!

I also see this quite often in the MSF classes I teach, in exercises where we do curves. Some people just pull the clutch in before they get into the curve and then release it like halfway through the curve and get back on the gas. It's visually noticeable then how jerky the bike is when they do that, and this is all really slow speeds in a parking lot! That is one of the 2 main things I yell at people for and tell them not to do (yell in a constructive way of course )...the other being when they brake with the middle finger, ring finger and pinky, while leaving the index finger wrapped around the throttle! lol
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A couple of years ago at my home track my friends and I were watching from the fence at the end of the front straight and we spotted a guy on a zx6r that was always pulling the clutch in and holding it every time he would go through turn 1. I couldn't believe that someone riding at the track would ride like that! I also see this quite often in the MSF classes I teach, in exercises where we do curves. Some people just pull the clutch in before they get into the curve and then release it like halfway through the curve and get back on the gas. It's visually noticeable then how jerky the bike is when they do that, and this is all really slow speeds in a parking lot!
OH GOD! I cringe every time I hear about this. This is why I don't teach MSF. I think my head would explode. Top o' the hat to you. I have no idea how you can do it.

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brake with the middle finger, ring finger and pinky, while leaving the index finger wrapped around the throttle! lol
Uhm, I ride like this on the track :-p
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OH GOD! I cringe every time I hear about this. This is why I don't teach MSF. I think my head would explode. Top o' the hat to you. I have no idea how you can do it.
To be honest I've been losing my patience with that lol. I think the more track days and racing I've done in the last couple of years, and the more I've improved my own skills, the less patient I am with beginners. This year I only taught 3 classes and I got them all done in April, and I'm hoping to teach a couple of "advanced" classes. I used quotation marks because there's really nothing advanced about it, it's just considered the next level class in the MSF curriculum. Still in a parking lot. What I would really like to do is get into coaching at track days, but my local organization doesn't really need anymore coaches since they're pretty small. We all know each other for the most part anyway. Other organizations are just too far where I'd have to travel 7-9 hours to get to those track days.

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Uhm, I ride like this on the track :-p
Really?? How

Next time you're at the track, you need to set up your camera in some way to record both your hands and do some fast laps.

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When you do blip, is it acceptable to have 2 sounds (the rev and then the engine brake) or 1 simultaneous sound (rev and then engine brake, maybe fractions of a second)?
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Original Post updated to reflect subjective findings.
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Danny Eslick is crazy fast and is the only rider I have seen that still blips in racing as of recently.


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Danny Eslick is crazy fast and is the only rider I have seen that still blips in racing as of recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z_d7HxX3jM
For sure. I know of no one else who blips on the track. There simply isn't time and you can use your clutch to completely eliminate the need for blipping. He obviously makes it work so kudo's for him =)

In other news, I rode a new R1 that we just installed the autoblip clutchless downshifting on... not gonna lie, it was really nice
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For sure. I know of no one else who blips on the track. There simply isn't time and you can use your clutch to completely eliminate the need for blipping. He obviously makes it work so kudo's for him =)

In other news, I rode a new R1 that we just installed the autoblip clutchless downshifting on... not gonna lie, it was really nice
It is a pretty cool feature isn't it. I rode a new 1299S when the year they came out and my local dealer brought a demo bike to our home track, and the autoblip feature was pretty cool. IMO, wasn't quite as smooth on downshifts as you can be using the clutch, but it certainly eliminated one step and you could really get those downshifts done quick. Unfortunately my home track is small and twisty and I never really have to downshift more than once or twice in any corner so I didn't get a chance to fully test it out.

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For sure. I know of no one else who blips on the track. There simply isn't time and you can use your clutch to completely eliminate the need for blipping. He obviously makes it work so kudo's for him =)

In other news, I rode a new R1 that we just installed the autoblip clutchless downshifting on... not gonna lie, it was really nice
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It is a pretty cool feature isn't it. I rode a new 1299S when the year they came out and my local dealer brought a demo bike to our home track, and the autoblip feature was pretty cool. IMO, wasn't quite as smooth on downshifts as you can be using the clutch, but it certainly eliminated one step and you could really get those downshifts done quick. Unfortunately my home track is small and twisty and I never really have to downshift more than once or twice in any corner so I didn't get a chance to fully test it out.
Same here. We had a demo ride 2016 BMW s1000rr at the track and it was smooth as butter going into corners and downshifting with the auto-blipper.
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