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post #1 of 25 Old 04-16-2017, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
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Came into the corner too hot and noticed i was going wide, i let go of the throttle while still leaning for engine breaking to kicking really quick then leaned in more and gradually increased the throttle, used as much of the track possible so to speak by going onto the curb...obviously entering the corner with an appropriate speed would be the best option in the future but i'm curious as to how some of you would have handled it in a situation like that? what would you have done so i can learn for future reference.

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Dude I run into this shit too sometimes. Happened today morning actually. I let off the throttle to slow down but that just makes the bike wanna stand up even more. Fuckin physics!
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Keep on the gas and look where you want to go. Half the time it's you causing the bike to run wide (a survival reaction is to shut off the gas to slow things down but it just makes it worse). Learn to drop your head/shoulder and "hook turn". Practise turning in quicker. You can tighten anything...the main thing is most of the issues we encounter are vision-related. Figure out what you are focusing on and you can eliminate half your issues. Go to a track, take a school...

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Sanctuary covered it..

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Not messing with the throttle is the first step. It's true that changing your throttle will change your line, but it will also have a knock-on effect on just about every other aspect of the bike. You'll unsettle the suspension, which will mess with your traction, which will affect your mindset and concentration, which will tighten your body, which will make you run wide... It's a vicious cycle (not the motorised one).

The rougher, over-simplified version of what Sanctuary said is this: You steer with your eyes.

The track is just a series of corners interspersed with straights. It's not only this corner you need to align, it's the flow into the next corner or getting on the gas to gain the best pull onto the straight. It's a rare event in which your throttle hand should have any input into correcting your line (and I have two fused vertebrae that remind me of that fact every day).
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Point your chin where you want to go, and the bike will follow..... You can always lean more. Much more than you think. A lowside is far less risky than running off, or a high side. Always worth pushing it over that much further.

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Letting if you run wide and are already at full lean, letting off the throttle smoothly is the best option you go. I use that method all the time in decreasing radius turns. It's the best way to go fast through them. At one of my local track we have a turn just like that, it really tightens up at the end and catches people off guard. Very easy to go way wide if you stay on the throttle. The best way to go through it is to maintain steady throttle up until you start seeing the inside curb where it gets tighter, roll off the throttle, and that automatically tightens up your line, then once you clip the curb you get back on the gas.
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If it's on the street, often it can be caused by tipping in to early. You hit the inside way before the apex and it forces your exit trajectory wide. Try and tip in later.

And it's highly highly likely you can always lean more. Just look where you want to go.

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Motorcycle riding is an activity that is VERY important to know what you are doing in order to get it right. The repercussions of getting it wrong can have disastrous consequences. Reading about it and watching videos are important, but in my opinion learning with a coach behind you in a school environment cannot be replaced. As soon as you can, attend a high performance riding school. Spend the time, effort and money to do it right. It sounds expensive, but in the long run is the cheapest way to go.

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Motorcycle riding is an activity that is VERY important to know what you are doing in order to get it right. The repercussions of getting it wrong can have disastrous consequences. Reading about it and watching videos are important, but in my opinion learning at a with a coach behind you in a school environment cannot be replaced. As soon as you can, attend a high performance riding school. spend the time, effort and money to do it right. It sounds expensive, but in the long run is the cheapest way to go.
Want to be faster/safer/smarter/better? Whether it's one, some or all of these, this is an excellent way to do it. 99% of the time, we can't see, feel or notice the errors we're making. Even a couple of sessions will pay dividends if you take heed of the advice and work to resolve your errors. Even top level racers have coaches; no one knows everything.

Want more incentives? How about a big cut in the cost of your insurance and the fact that these things will make you faster than any tyre/tuning/upgrade ever will. It's even a one-off cost for a lifetime of motorcycling!
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Riding schools include insurance discounts? More info on that?
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Riding schools include insurance discounts? More info on that?
Some insurance companies might, but I don't think the big names care. I know State Farm doesn't. They won't give me a discount for doing any sort of motorcycle related activity. Take the MSF class? Don't care. Be an MSF-certified instructor? Don't care. Done a track day school or some other high performance riding school? Don't care. Licensed racer?...wait a minute. You best not even think of filing a claim any time soon!

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That's odd, I had a completely different experience with state farm in ny. I got a three year reduction of like 15% for my MSF class, and it even included my cars. I've just never heard of that being offered for any sort of track time / school.

Maybe it varies by state
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That's odd, I had a completely different experience with state farm in ny. I got a three year reduction of like 15% for my MSF class, and it even included my cars. I've just never heard of that being offered for any sort of track time / school.

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I think it does, maybe even by insurance agent (which is BS if that's the case). I know here in NE, state farm won't insure anything if you crash at a race track, even if it's during a school or some type of educational/instructional event. Meanwhile a friend of mine who's a state farm agent in Chicago laughed when I told him that because he insures a bunch of track bikes and said as long as it's not during a race he will insure people in case of crashes. And I've also heard similar stories from people from other states.

I guess the trade-off is cheaper insurance premiums. My R3 is like $10/month and my ZX6R is about $20/month for full-coverage lol

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