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Anyone know of any sportbike schools in Michigan? If i can afford it, I'd really like to take the time to go to one this season
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Anyone know of any sportbike schools in Michigan? If i can afford it, I'd really like to take the time to go to one this season
What's a sportbike school? Just do a track day...that's as sportbike-schoolish as it gets!

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What's a sportbike school? Just do a track day...that's as sportbike-schoolish as it gets!
lol ah okay i wasn't sure if all track days had one-on-one instruction or not
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lol ah okay i wasn't sure if all track days had one-on-one instruction or not
Not really 1-on-1, more like one on a few, but they all have instruction and classroom/riding structure. Most importantly, it's not done in a parking lot like most other classes such as the ones taught by the MSF.

You can do 1-on-1 as well if you spend a lot more money and do something like CSS (California Superbike School), or YCRS (Yamaha Champions Racing School), or other similar schools that are more regional.

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Until your well advanced don't think many could handle One on One training.

Why pay for 1 on 1 to have them tell you to work on the basic's.


https://www.sportbiketracktime.com/i...state/michigan

Once your passing most of the intermediate riders, then go for one on one.
You will have the basics covered, I can only work on one of my bad habits at a time.
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Until your well advanced don't think many could handle One on One training.

Why pay for 1 on 1 to have them tell you to work on the basic's.


https://www.sportbiketracktime.com/i...state/michigan

Once your passing most of the intermediate riders, then go for one on one.
You will have the basics covered, I can only work on one of my bad habits at a time.

Great, thanks guys. Yeah im still at the beginner level, so sounds like a regular track day would be best. Did you guys start on the track when you were a beginner or did you wait a few years of highway riding and then go? Just curious because I have no experience in leaning really and just dont trust the highways enough to really try it out.
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Great, thanks guys. Yeah im still at the beginner level, so sounds like a regular track day would be best. Did you guys start on the track when you were a beginner or did you wait a few years of highway riding and then go? Just curious because I have no experience in leaning really and just dont trust the highways enough to really try it out.
I started doing track days after only about 3000 street miles, so I was fairly new to motorcycles at the time. I know some people started with even less.

I'm an MSF instructor and have been teaching the BRC (beginner rider course) for a few years now and in pretty much every class I teach mention track days as a recommendation for people to do, mostly those that are into sport bikes of course.

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Great, thanks guys. Yeah im still at the beginner level, so sounds like a regular track day would be best. Did you guys start on the track when you were a beginner or did you wait a few years of highway riding and then go? Just curious because I have no experience in leaning really and just dont trust the highways enough to really try it out.
I started riding in 1978, had many years of experience. Before track days I would have told you over 30 years of experience. Now I know, my comment SHOULD have been, I had 1 year of experience 30 times. I spent my first dozen track days Learning the correct way to ride. UN-learning is hard to do or should I say, bad habits are hard to kill.

You are free of bad habits, you don't have any. SO if you have done the MSF course.
If you can shift the bike and are willing to learn then track days are the best and only way IMO to really learn how to ride safely.
You won't have to worry about cars, road conditions, solid objects to hurt you if you hit them.

Expect to be the slowest person there, who cares. No trophies will ever be handed out no matter what skill level.
This is about YOU and YOUR ability's.

I spent more time than anyone I know of in novice. Not once didn't I have fun.
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I started riding in 1978, had many years of experience. Before track days I would have told you over 30 years of experience. Now I know, my comment SHOULD have been, I had 1 year of experience 30 times. I spent my first dozen track days Learning the correct way to ride. UN-learning is hard to do or should I say, bad habits are hard to kill.

You are free of bad habits, you don't have any. SO if you have done the MSF course.
If you can shift the bike and are willing to learn then track days are the best and only way IMO to really learn how to ride safely.
You won't have to worry about cars, road conditions, solid objects to hurt you if you hit them.

Expect to be the slowest person there, who cares. No trophies will ever be handed out no matter what skill level.
This is about YOU and YOUR ability's.

I spent more time than anyone I know of in novice. Not once didn't I have fun.
awesome, man. thank you for the input. ive done the msf course and also the returning rider course. yeah, I don't ride with anyone, but i do know a few of my friends who have only rode street and lean like crazy and go fast a lot on the highways, but like you have said its dangerous. I've put about 2k miles on the bike, mostly highway, but haven't been over 115 mph (and when i do hit that it's only for about 5 seconds in a straight, then i back down). so far i just haven't felt safe doing what the other riders i know do. maybe when i have some track time under my belt, ill ride different on the highways, but for now im nowhere near that.
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awesome, man. thank you for the input. ive done the msf course and also the returning rider course. yeah, I don't ride with anyone, but i do know a few of my friends who have only rode street and lean like crazy and go fast a lot on the highways, but like you have said its dangerous. I've put about 2k miles on the bike, mostly highway, but haven't been over 115 mph (and when i do hit that it's only for about 5 seconds in a straight, then i back down). so far i just haven't felt safe doing what the other riders i know do. maybe when i have some track time under my belt, ill ride different on the highways, but for now im nowhere near that.
Keep in mind that some people that ride like that also don't really know what they're doing and they're very close to that edge. I've seen people at track days who are on their first or 2nd track day maybe and you can tell just by the way they're riding that they're a crash waiting to happen. I remember seeing a couple of guys come out to my home track once for their first time ever and they were surprisingly fast for being so new to it, but something about their riding style and body positioning screamed of "crash waiting to happen"....sure enough before the end of the day they both crashed.

Sometimes it's better to learn at a bit slower pace ...the other nice thing about learning at a track day is you got nobody to impress. No matter what bike you have, or how cool you look, when you got that "N" (novice) sticker on the bike, you're not going to impress anyone because there will be dozens of people out there that are much faster. So it's much easier to leave the ego at home and learn at your own pace, rather than learning on the street riding with your buddies while trying to keep up with them and taking huge risks.
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I don't think learning to ride a motorcycle the RIGHT way is a bad thing. I was mostly self taught. I don't think riding and learning to lean a motorcycle on the road is unsafe if it is done in a safe location. On safe roads with few other vehicles. Everyone says go to the track. For some the track can be very intimidating and expensive. I would suggest finding a friend who is willing and able to teach you a few things and find a deserted road with many turns to learn on. Easy, best, cheapest place to learn. For those who don't know, I also have many years( 35+) of riding and racing both street and dirt (track)at a high level.
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The advantage of the track, most of the time you will see the same corner 4 to 10 times.
On the road, it's a real pain to try and do the same corners over and over.
On the track, there is NO speed limit or external distractions like cagers.
On the road, it's darn near impossible to SAFELY and LEGALLY an corner close to the bike's limits on the street, not to mention you only get half the road. On the track you can run wide or run off.
Running OFF, don't know of a track that has a ditch by the track. On the road most do.
On the road, most have guardrails, telephone poles, mail boxes, and cars coming the OPPOSITE direction. So your doing 50, there doing 50 meeting the is like a wall at 100.

Can you learn to ride very well on the street, sure. How many have experienced riders who have training to explain to others what there doing wrong.
Drive sane on the road, let it hang out on the track.
One go down on the street for just plastic's can pay for several track days.
A ticket alone can pay for a track day at many places, don't forget insurance increase's.

I can not update this thread I started, but PainFullySlo just started another good thread.
Here are some others.. Helpful Links

Watch, Twist of the Wrist II.. Has some good stuff to think about.
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