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That's flattering but even I know that shit gets boring. Yes, I've got a little variety of video coming up. I didn't really add any new mounts though. So front or rear, that's what you fools get.

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Here's a short teaser of one of my morning sessions from the front view. I've got a few more videos, including another rear view that I will get posted up in a bit.

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So this is a little bit delayed but I figure I would post up an update. I made it back out to the track on April 4th and, after making some adjustments, ran a lot better of a day. I didn't get any video this time, but oh well.

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I moved the rear sets up and back a couple of notches because I was still having some challenges with leveraging myself on the seat (I may have said that last time, but a lot has happened between then and now). I noticed a pretty big difference and I was sore as shit by the end of the day. But I was definitely moving along a LOT faster.

I was getting pretty good at passing most of the slower riders but a few folks were running pretty close to my pace, or they were pretty erratic and I avoided making any moves that might screw us all. Still, I made a couple of passes that startled a couple of riders and I felt bad about it but I simply really wanted to get around and I was tired of waiting. I will admit that my brakes and front suspension got a pretty good work out.

At some point I decided that I was riding at a pace that was probably a bit much for C group and I really entertained the idea of bumping up. SkilledHouse and the other guy who went with us had made the bump, but I still thought that I should work on passing more before doing so. In my mind I had to pass ALL THE PEOPLE.



I decided to grab a control rider and get some feedback. We took off and he started by riding in front of me and then followed me around. We passed quite a few people but there were a couple of points where I erred on the side of caution and it slowed me down. When we came back in he told me that I definitely had the pace and the smoothness to bump up but that I should work more on passing the rest of the folks. I agreed AND disagreed with his assessment. I understood that there were probably a couple of places where I probably could have made a clean pass but the pace he was running to make those passes was so much faster than mine that I would have been riding over my head to make those passes successful. Add to it that the passes he was referring to were in big groups of riders of various pace and skill who were bottlenecked and trying to find places to make the corner safely. I couldn't help but think that if it were in B group, the pace might have been more consistent with my own, so it wouldn't have been such a sharp reduction in speed every time it was time to corner.



Still, he gave me some suggestions on some of the better places to make passes and basically he told me that I would need to be more aggressive in making my presence known. Personally, I disagree with that strategy in C group because of the fact that there are so many riders who still don't even know the proper etiquette of yielding, let alone keeping themselves on a consistent line. And that strategy proved to be almost disasterous on a couple of occasions for me earlier that morning. But maybe my balls just aren't big enough. OR maybe I still suck.

So I spent the rest of the day riding out my sessions and trying out the passing in the places he recommended. Changing up my line to make a pass IS still something to work on so I made the most of it by doing that. By the end of the day the slower riders had all packed up and it was the rest of us faster folks which made it more like riding up a level anyway so it all worked out.

SkilledHouse and I puttering around in the morning session:

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Is it inappropriate to tell a woman to put her titties on the tank?. Jk. Looking good. Keep it up. Think I'm doing my first TD of the season on Friday....

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Looks like you had an absolute blast. It's sad to say that it may be a long while before i can go back to the track myself but i will enjoy future ones through you MOM.

Some of my happiest riding memories have been made at the track so i will definitely be returning to the promised land.

Until then, keep up all your hard work MOM and play hard at the track.
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April 27th

Well here goes a little update for those of you who are still tuned in.

I managed to get back out to the track on Monday the 27th. Earlier in the week I pulled the bike apart and started the process of checking valve clearances and finally getting around to installing the APE tensioner. I figured that while I was at it, I would swap out the plugs too you know... because why not? The new guy that I am seeing decided it would be really cool if we did a wrench-day in his garage, and seein's how I've only got a patio and it's been upwards of 90 degrees here I figured why not? I mean the fact that he's a cutie and has loads of tools is also a bonus. So we compiled our provisions of beer and food for bbq and got started in our respective work stations on our respective projects. Every now and again I would get up and help hold steady a V10 BMW motor that he was working separately on tearing apart to turn into a coffee table. Can I just take a moment to digress and say: "whoa!" I've not been much for cars but I will say that it was pretty cool, although I didn't get any pictures - sorry. Only this one (the motor was long since dismantled and set aside by this point):



Somewhere around 11 o clock on the night before the track day the mighty ninja was fired up and she purred like a kitten. A shit-eating grin adorned my face as it sank in that, 1. Nothing had exploded, and 2. It was track time again.

We loaded up the bikes and called it a night.

The track day was probably one of the best track days I've ever had, if not THE best. Yes, I stuck it out in C group for yet another full day but it wasn't a big deal because of the people who were out there, only about 4 of them were first timers which meant that C group was actually hold a pace and level that allowed me to really hone in on my passing skills. This was a slightly different configuration as well.

Right out the gate the bike ran great. In fact, everything felt great. I managed to wait around a bit before heading out for the first session (which is always a sighting session) so I wound up going out on my "parade laps" solo with my own coach as opposed to with a group of people. This wound up being substantially beneficial since he did a great job of adjusting his pace to pull me a little faster and a little faster as opposed to keeping a meager pace to accommodate the noobs. As a result, my first session was a spectacular warm up with us making pretty good pace around the track until we caught up to the rest of the group. Luckily the session was over so I didn't miss much.

By the second and third sessions I was running a little faster than my pace during the last sessions of the track day prior. I just kept pushing harder and holding out a little longer before braking in the corner and it just kept clicking so I'd give it a little more and a little more until the majority of the time spent going around the track I was detecting more of a head-shimmy in the front end. Although, that shouldn't be confused with speed per se but moreso that I had reached the point where I was maxed out on the rebound adjustment for my suspension. I could feel the bike skipping over the bumps but I didn't care because it was manageable.

I passed a few people and then a couple more and settled into some nice open space. Everyone was riding pretty well so passing became a lot more fun as I was dealing with riders who were much more consistent and a lot less knee-jerkish in the corners. For this reason I think it might really be time to bump up to intermediate group. I don't seem to have trouble passing riders who are consistently holding lines, it's the slower erratic, stiff folks that scare the shit out of me. Everyone has told me this but I just really don't want to be the dangerously slow arsehole the group.

Finally, at one point I decided to make a pit stop at the suspension guy. I told him what I was dealing with, as well as another issue I was having and he basically informed me that there wasn't much he could do to adjust the bike any more since my suspension is still stock. I've been halfassedly looking into options for upgrading the suspension but I started to think a lot more about it as the day wore on.

I really don't even have words for how happy I was at the end of every session. Sure, I was really hesitant to push the front end in corners and there were times where it made me feel like I was hitting a plateau but then I started to focus on other areas to improve such as line selection and exit speed.

At one point in the afternoon, the boy suggested that I take his bike out on the track. I was pretty reluctant because I'm not one for riding other people's bikes but I agreed anyway. Because a little compare and contrast never hurt anybody, right?



His bike: 2012 ZX6R with GP shift. I have ridden GP shift plenty of times but after almost a full day of riding my bike, I was consciously having to remind myself to reverse my shift habits. I did pretty good until I started getting into the groove and then I came into a corner and unconsciously clicked in the wrong direction which put me grossly underpowered and damn near in neutral for the corner. It wasn't a big deal, but I sure as hell looked like a complete noob. Of course, as soon as it happened a control rider happened upon me (because timing is everything, right?) and jumped in front of me to give me guidance. "I know, I know" I muttered in my helmet as I shook my head and throttled down the front straight. As I approached turn two, the same thing happened. I knew there wasn't anyone behind me so I just let her run wide into the runoff zone while I reoriented my gear selection, looked over my shoulder, and got back onto the track. The instructor was up ahead and looking in his mirrors with concern. I gave a friendly wave as if to indicate: "I'm retarded, carry on without me." But he held back and towed me around some more. I'm sure he was trying to figure out exactly what the hell the deal was with my pace as I managed to pick it up and then apparently fall back unexpectedly on those two occasions when I had a tard moment. Add to it the awesomeness of the tail-light mockingly brandishing "Bye Felicia!" and I couldn't help but laugh at how absurd my display must of been.

Still, the bike was pretty bitchin'. I really enjoyed how it handled (much more flickable than my prehistoric 04) and the power curve was quite nice (although I wouldn't recommend dipping low enough to pick up that weird throttle lag). I have never been good at switching bikes but I after those two very minor incidents I managed to bring her up to a nice pace and settle in for some fun. When I returned to the pits and told him of my excursions he cracked a devious smile and clicked off the go-pro. "Oh, that's glorious!" I chuckled sarcastically. He gave me a menacing grin and said: "I'm going to make an account on that forum JUST to share this video." I laughed, hopefully he puts it up in this thread to sustain the continuity.

More of the same from this corner, although I always FEEL like I'm going faster, lol. Oh well...


I took my bike out for the last few sessions and decided that I would put every last bit of my energy into giving it my all. There were only a few of us out on the track during the last session of the day and as I approached another rider on a Ducati who was being towed by an instructor, I decided I would take the opportunity to set up to make a pass. We were all moving at a nice pace that was just a LITTLE bit slower than I would have liked to go so I inched up on him and decided that I would make the pass as soon as we cleared the last tight corner. I left about a bike length maybe a bike and a half between us as we dipped in and railed around the corner. In my peripheral vision I watched him as I stayed focused on the line I wanted to hold in order to make my move. Then I saw an abrupt change in his line that drew my attention to him. His bike drifted wide then abruptly closed back in to my path. There was a brief dusting of smoke before I saw the bike tip completely and the rider bounce up and land on his back and slide. It might not have been so bad if the bike hadn't snagged and then immediately flipped with both of them still in my path. Given that I'm no pro-racer, I immediately acknowledged that I could definitely lean in further and tighten my line to avoid colliding with him, or his bike. I reoriented my focus to the exit of the corner and where I wanted to go and made my way by as they slid off the track. The instructor ahead had pulled off to the inside and I went around and got back to business. I figured that the guy was okay but as I barreled down the front straight I saw the red flag which signaled the end of my session. As it would turn out, he was fine but it was just a precaution while they cleared the track. Once I brought the bike in I decided to call it good. With only a couple of laps left in the session it wasn't worth rolling the dice and I was feeling pretty fatigued so I decided to call it while I was ahead.



I took the opportunity to add a little HD filter to this pic for my own interests, but Phil Hill is a pretty nerve-wracking section because I come up into it blind and a lot of people run off or low-side there because of the fact that you tend not to see through it until you're at the crest. I've spent a lot of time focusing on the different approaches one can take to this corner and as the day wore on I came to absolutely enjoy it.
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Well here goes a little update for those of you who are still tuned in.

I managed to get back out to the track on Monday the 27th. Earlier in the week I pulled the bike apart and started the process of checking valve clearances and finally getting around to installing the APE tensioner. I figured that while I was at it, I would swap out the plugs too you know... because why not? The new guy that I am seeing decided it would be really cool if we did a wrench-day in his garage, and seein's how I've only got a patio and it's been upwards of 90 degrees here I figured why not? I mean the fact that he's a cutie and has loads of tools is also a bonus. So we compiled our provisions of beer and food for bbq and got started in our respective work stations on our respective projects. Every now and again I would get up and help hold steady a V10 BMW motor that he was working separately on tearing apart to turn into a coffee table. Can I just take a moment to digress and say: "whoa!" I've not been much for cars but I will say that it was pretty cool, although I didn't get any pictures - sorry. Only this one (the motor was long since dismantled and set aside by this point):



Somewhere around 11 o clock on the night before the track day the mighty ninja was fired up and she purred like a kitten. A shit-eating grin adorned my face as it sank in that, 1. Nothing had exploded, and 2. It was track time again.

We loaded up the bikes and called it a night.

The track day was probably one of the best track days I've ever had, if not THE best. Yes, I stuck it out in C group for yet another full day but it wasn't a big deal because of the people who were out there, only about 4 of them were first timers which meant that C group was actually hold a pace and level that allowed me to really hone in on my passing skills. This was a slightly different configuration as well.

Right out the gate the bike ran great. In fact, everything felt great. I managed to wait around a bit before heading out for the first session (which is always a sighting session) so I wound up going out on my "parade laps" solo with my own coach as opposed to with a group of people. This wound up being substantially beneficial since he did a great job of adjusting his pace to pull me a little faster and a little faster as opposed to keeping a meager pace to accommodate the noobs. As a result, my first session was a spectacular warm up with us making pretty good pace around the track until we caught up to the rest of the group. Luckily the session was over so I didn't miss much.

By the second and third sessions I was running a little faster than my pace during the last sessions of the track day prior. I just kept pushing harder and holding out a little longer before braking in the corner and it just kept clicking so I'd give it a little more and a little more until the majority of the time spent going around the track I was detecting more of a head-shimmy in the front end. Although, that shouldn't be confused with speed per se but moreso that I had reached the point where I was maxed out on the rebound adjustment for my suspension. I could feel the bike skipping over the bumps but I didn't care because it was manageable.

I passed a few people and then a couple more and settled into some nice open space. Everyone was riding pretty well so passing became a lot more fun as I was dealing with riders who were much more consistent and a lot less knee-jerkish in the corners. For this reason I think it might really be time to bump up to intermediate group. I don't seem to have trouble passing riders who are consistently holding lines, it's the slower erratic, stiff folks that scare the shit out of me. Everyone has told me this but I just really don't want to be the dangerously slow arsehole the group.

Finally, at one point I decided to make a pit stop at the suspension guy. I told him what I was dealing with, as well as another issue I was having and he basically informed me that there wasn't much he could do to adjust the bike any more since my suspension is still stock. I've been halfassedly looking into options for upgrading the suspension but I started to think a lot more about it as the day wore on.

I really don't even have words for how happy I was at the end of every session. Sure, I was really hesitant to push the front end in corners and there were times where it made me feel like I was hitting a plateau but then I started to focus on other areas to improve such as line selection and exit speed.

At one point in the afternoon, the boy suggested that I take his bike out on the track. I was pretty reluctant because I'm not one for riding other people's bikes but I agreed anyway. Because a little compare and contrast never hurt anybody, right?



His bike: 2012 ZX6R with GP shift. I have ridden GP shift plenty of times but after almost a full day of riding my bike, I was consciously having to remind myself to reverse my shift habits. I did pretty good until I started getting into the groove and then I came into a corner and unconsciously clicked in the wrong direction which put me grossly underpowered and damn near in neutral for the corner. It wasn't a big deal, but I sure as hell looked like a complete noob. Of course, as soon as it happened a control rider happened upon me (because timing is everything, right?) and jumped in front of me to give me guidance. "I know, I know" I muttered in my helmet as I shook my head and throttled down the front straight. As I approached turn two, the same thing happened. I knew there wasn't anyone behind me so I just let her run wide into the runoff zone while I reoriented my gear selection, looked over my shoulder, and got back onto the track. The instructor was up ahead and looking in his mirrors with concern. I gave a friendly wave as if to indicate: "I'm retarded, carry on without me." But he held back and towed me around some more. I'm sure he was trying to figure out exactly what the hell the deal was with my pace as I managed to pick it up and then apparently fall back unexpectedly on those two occasions when I had a tard moment. Add to it the awesomeness of the tail-light mockingly brandishing "Bye Felicia!" and I couldn't help but laugh at how absurd my display must of been.

Still, the bike was pretty bitchin'. I really enjoyed how it handled (much more flickable than my prehistoric 04) and the power curve was quite nice (although I wouldn't recommend dipping low enough to pick up that weird throttle lag). I have never been good at switching bikes but I after those two very minor incidents I managed to bring her up to a nice pace and settle in for some fun. When I returned to the pits and told him of my excursions he cracked a devious smile and clicked off the go-pro. "Oh, that's glorious!" I chuckled sarcastically. He gave me a menacing grin and said: "I'm going to make an account on that forum JUST to share this video." I laughed, hopefully he puts it up in this thread to sustain the continuity.

More of the same from this corner, although I always FEEL like I'm going faster, lol. Oh well...


I took my bike out for the last few sessions and decided that I would put every last bit of my energy into giving it my all. There were only a few of us out on the track during the last session of the day and as I approached another rider on a Ducati who was being towed by an instructor, I decided I would take the opportunity to set up to make a pass. We were all moving at a nice pace that was just a LITTLE bit slower than I would have liked to go so I inched up on him and decided that I would make the pass as soon as we cleared the last tight corner. I left about a bike length maybe a bike and a half between us as we dipped in and railed around the corner. In my peripheral vision I watched him as I stayed focused on the line I wanted to hold in order to make my move. Then I saw an abrupt change in his line that drew my attention to him. His bike drifted wide then abruptly closed back in to my path. There was a brief dusting of smoke before I saw the bike tip completely and the rider bounce up and land on his back and slide. It might not have been so bad if the bike hadn't snagged and then immediately flipped with both of them still in my path. Given that I'm no pro-racer, I immediately acknowledged that I could definitely lean in further and tighten my line to avoid colliding with him, or his bike. I reoriented my focus to the exit of the corner and where I wanted to go and made my way by as they slid off the track. The instructor ahead had pulled off to the inside and I went around and got back to business. I figured that the guy was okay but as I barreled down the front straight I saw the red flag which signaled the end of my session. As it would turn out, he was fine but it was just a precaution while they cleared the track. Once I brought the bike in I decided to call it good. With only a couple of laps left in the session it wasn't worth rolling the dice and I was feeling pretty fatigued so I decided to call it while I was ahead.



I took the opportunity to add a little HD filter to this pic for my own interests, but Phil Hill is a pretty nerve-wracking section because I come up into it blind and a lot of people run off or low-side there because of the fact that you tend not to see through it until you're at the crest. I've spent a lot of time focusing on the different approaches one can take to this corner and as the day wore on I came to absolutely enjoy it.
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Great read! Do you run a lap timer? Just wondering in numbers how much improvement you have made? Those lean angles say that you are probably within 20% of the lap record. Definitely a lot more lean than your first track day.
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Looking good out there! I'm not familiar with the suspension on the '04 but I would think you should be able to make that suspension work well for you up into the expert race pace. But again, maybe the suspension was much crappier on that year than it was on the '07/'08. I guess I am also less picky than most people so my suspension probably feels like crap to someone who wants it just right.

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Great write-up like others mentioned. Mine pale in comparison but now I have a sheet to cheat off of.
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The suspension on the 04 is too stiff for my weight. According to Race Tech's calculator I would need .872 vs the stock rate of .85. In the rear I would need 8.73 vs the stock 9.72. It's not awful at the moment but it is noticeablee. Some folks have recommended dropping the ride height in the rear so I might try that but the bike is already pigish to steer so I don't really want to make it worse.

Make no mistake, I'm not trying to sound like the suspension is solely what is holding me back. The truth is I am getting back into the groove of mechanically trusting the bike and picking up where I left off in developing skills. A lot of it is in my head but I am definitely fast enough to notice the suspension barriers.

I didn't get any lap times this time. My lap timer stopped working so I need to troubleshoot it. I FEEL as though I picked up the pace but I don't think I'm quite within 20% of the lap record yet. But I am inching up there. I will try and get some lap times in May. But we will see.

Thank you guys for all of your feedback. It's been a really awesome season so far. Much more productive than last year and we've only just begun!

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Great read!

Judging from the pictures you look smooth and confident which is key. Just from what I am reading I would say you are more than ready to bump up a group. Don't worry about being slower than others out there, the key is that you are smooth and predictable which it sounds like you are.

More importantly, you can recognize when others aren't which is another reason to bump groups; less people doing sketchy things.

A faster rider should have absolutely no problem getting around a slightly slower one as long as they are riding predictably.

And yes, the suspension and geometry on the '12 is significantly better than what you are riding on. It isn't so much a question of it is holding you back, rather it is not giving you the confidence that truly good suspension provides which will help you learn and ride faster.

And now that I have read all this, it reminds me that I owe you a PM response. I think I read it a few weeks ago and was busy so said 'ill get back to her later'...which apparently means now :-p

Glad you had such a great time on the track!
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Well dudes... I briefly considered creating a new thread for this season, but honestly there is so much going on that I am not sure how consistent my track season is going to be. Nothing worth fretting over. My career is taking some major strides but I've also been presented with some opportunities to relocate so I'll be conservatively approaching major spending until I know how it all pans out. I'm excited, happy, and I've worked really hard to get to this point where the suits are taking note, but I can't deny myself some track time.

My first track day of 2016 is coming up on the 15th (Monday), and my heart has been pitter pattering about it for a while. And no... that's not a Valentines Day reference. Although... it IS also the track day closest to my 1 year anniversary with the boyfriend. Sooo... we are going to celebrate the only way we ought to: by sharing our mutual love of two wheels in a romantic getaway to hour home track. Considering how incapable I am when it comes to the LLLLooooooooove department, I think that's pretty cool, too!

Still, this should be interesting since I didn't ride much over the winter season. I had a really gnarly experience with an inflamed Piriformis muscle (apparently it sits on your sciatic nerve), which rendered me damn near debilitated for a couple of months. Think of what it would feel like to repeatedly shatter your tailbone with every step you take... and that's about where I was. I could barely walk, and I couldn't sit. It was particularly shitty considering how much I need to move around in order to not go insane. Thus I picked up a few pounds even in spite of my efforts to hike it off (which really only pissed it off worse so I wouldn't recommend THAT).

So here I am. I bought a mountain bike about a month ago and started working my arse off to get my core and legs back into riding shape so we shall see how it all pans out. The tires on the bike are the same ones from last season. She's getting an oil change and a cleanup this weekend, and we are going to do what we do with what we've got in our ongoing quest to pick up the pace and refine the skills.

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