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post #1 of 34 Old 10-13-2015, 03:18 PM Thread Starter
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Blamed for a Crash

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Rider #1 starts to slow before a turn and trailbrakes a bit into the turn, successfully completes turn with no drama.

Rider #2 following Rider #1 claims that since Rider #1 braked, he had no choice between crashing into Rider #1 or going off into the void, so he wipes out in the turn and goes off the edge into dirt.

Does that make any sense to you?

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Sounds like the following rider's fault. Too fast, too close, wrong reaction.

If your safety depends on someone else doing something just right, you're doing it wrong.

Case in point, I try not to corner faster than I can see around the corner. There's a winding section of road on my way to work where I love to get a little off the seat and get some cornering in. I generally look as far as I can ahead so I don't get surprised by something out of the ordinary. This morning, that case existed in the form of a stopped car partway through the curve. You couldn't see it approaching the curve, or during tip-in. However, because I wasn't speeding, I saw the car and was able to slow, stand the bike up, and stop. No drama, no problem.
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Sounds like the following rider's fault. Too fast, too close, wrong reaction.

If your safety depends on someone else doing something just right, you're doing it wrong.

Case in point, I try not to corner faster than I can see around the corner. There's a winding section of road on my way to work where I love to get a little off the seat and get some cornering in. I generally look as far as I can ahead so I don't get surprised by something out of the ordinary. This morning, that case existed in the form of a stopped car partway through the curve. You couldn't see it approaching the curve, or during tip-in. However, because I wasn't speeding, I saw the car and was able to slow, stand the bike up, and stop. No drama, no problem.
Your signature line says it all. I agree with what you wrote. I was just starting to second guess myself from this guy trying to hardcore guilt trip me.
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Exact same thing happened to me on the track. I had not encountered someone trail braking in front of me before and I was following too close to salvage the turn. Instead of hitting him, I went wide for a little off road, but upright adventure.

Thankfully, it happened in a place where I only damaged my ego. Since then, trail braking has become a skill I am greatly interested in developing.

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EDIT: BTW... 100% my fault.
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Rider #2's fault...imo
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No discussion needed. It's simple, Rider #2 at fault.

Don't rush the corner entry, don't ride above your head trying to keep up with someone. No way in any fucked up universe is this Rider #1's fault.
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I dont know how anyone could see it any other way. #2 is a dumbass who should know they screwed up and hold themselves accountable for their dumbass decision.
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Thanks guys... between this and what BARF said I feel a lot better. I guess it's pretty f**ked up how this guy has been blaming me and trying to guilt trip me hardcore. ........
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Exact same thing happened to me on the track. I had not encountered someone trail braking in front of me before and I was following too close to salvage the turn. Instead of hitting him, I went wide for a little off road, but upright adventure.

Thankfully, it happened in a place where I only damaged my ego. Since then, trail braking has become a skill I am greatly interested in developing.

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EDIT: BTW... 100% my fault.
How close were you? on the straightaway this guy had to be 3+ bike lengths and 2-3 by the time I entered the turn.
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How close were you? on the straightaway this guy had to be 3+ bike lengths and 2-3 by the time I entered the turn.
It doesnt matter, if the dude was too close to you, its his fault. There is no scenario other than you coming to a complete stop where this could be your fault.

Here in Texas if someone rear ends someone its always the following drivers fault. End of story. Because no matter what the driver does up front its the responsibility of the following driver to have the room necessary to avoid whatever the issue is.
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As it should be..
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On the track the rider behind is responsible for his own safety when following another rider.

Same goes on the street IMHO.

Shouldn't have been following so close that it caused him to go down... even though it was probably his less than stellar abilities that actually caused him to crash. If rider #1 got through the turn successfully... rider #2 should have too.
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Yeah I just don't understand why he didn't pass me on the outside if what he said is truly what happened? I've passed my slightly slower friends all the time
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If everything is as you say, it's rider #2 fault.

Have you considered for a moment why all this fucked up shit seems to happen to you?
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Murphy's law and well this happened to him not me technically
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