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post #1 of 10 Old 11-28-2015, 05:24 PM Thread Starter
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2012 zx6r 2nd gear clutch up wheelies

Can anybody guide me through this? Not sure if I'm doing it wrong or the bike is incapable of doing second gear clutch ups... Im so used to doing 1st gear wheelies and its getting pretty boring. I hit balance point on 1st gear and can keep it up. But not on second gear.

I have ecu flash, power commander, full m4 exhaust, stock gear.

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post #2 of 10 Old 11-28-2015, 08:04 PM
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Bike can definitely do 2nd gear clutch ups. Drop it over 8000 rpms and you can make it easier by doing stand ups, use rear pegs. Give the bike a little umph by compressing suspension first by pushing on the front forks or even tapping the brakes first.
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Will having a quick-shifter help? As in, pop it up on 1st and shift into 2nd, while keeping the front up?

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no. You are not supposed to use quickshifters in first to second gear.

Just keep practicing. You'll get it.
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I have -1/+2 sprockets so that might be helping me a bit but I'm usually around 9-10k rpm. Definitely gotta give it a lot more throttle than 1st gear but when you get it 2nd gear wheelies come up a lot easier for me, they don't pop up as fast and scary as first gear.
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no. You are not supposed to use quickshifters in first to second gear.

Just keep practicing. You'll get it.
Why ? Is it because of the stress / torque applied to tranny?

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Why ? Is it because of the stress / torque applied to tranny?
yes. As I understand it, first to second gear has the longest "shift" and is usually also the largest RPM change. So most quickshifter companies will recommend you use the clutch between first and second. However, I'm sure you'll have plenty of racers tell you its fine, that they've never blown a transmission, etc. But most racers don't shift down into first much after they get going anyway. As far as street use, I don't know why anybody feels they need a quickshifter for street use (they are designed for high RPM race use to squeeze hundreths of a second out of shifts to decrease lap times) but that's a whole separate conversation that people who intend to use quickshifters on the street aren't very receptive to.

Basically, think of first to second as two shifts. For the gearbox to go from first to second, it has to shift through the neutral gear as well. Along with that shift also normally being the biggest RPM change as well as the gears that get the most use typically, most transmission failures happen at these two gears.

Either way, if you have to rely on a quickshifter to do wheelies, you probably shouldn't be doing wheelies. Haha. But I wanted to go easy on OP.
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I get up to about 40mph in 2nd and then dump the clutch and she stands up VERY EASILY

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Fuck i been looking for balance point for over a year !! !

U can ride TRUE balance point wheelies but cant clutch your bike up in second

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yes. As I understand it, first to second gear has the longest "shift" and is usually also the largest RPM change. So most quickshifter companies will recommend you use the clutch between first and second. However, I'm sure you'll have plenty of racers tell you its fine, that they've never blown a transmission, etc. But most racers don't shift down into first much after they get going anyway. As far as street use, I don't know why anybody feels they need a quickshifter for street use (they are designed for high RPM race use to squeeze hundreths of a second out of shifts to decrease lap times) but that's a whole separate conversation that people who intend to use quickshifters on the street aren't very receptive to.

Basically, think of first to second as two shifts. For the gearbox to go from first to second, it has to shift through the neutral gear as well. Along with that shift also normally being the biggest RPM change as well as the gears that get the most use typically, most transmission failures happen at these two gears.

Either way, if you have to rely on a quickshifter to do wheelies, you probably shouldn't be doing wheelies. Haha. But I wanted to go easy on OP.

I use QS on 1-2 too, depending on the track, 1-3 times/lap (most of swedish tracks have at least one slow tight corner). Thing is though, its a race bike, it rarely sees more then 2000miles/year. And the engine is rebuilt every winter, so i really dont have to care as much for it as you do if you want your engine and transmission to function for 20000 miles...
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