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post #1 of 15 Old 03-22-2017, 02:39 AM Thread Starter
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Pillion Advice..... Carrying Mrs. for First Time!

Hi Guys,

I know there are other threads on here on this subject, but they didn't answer all of my questions, so thought I would put them to you guys for some help. Basically, I want to take the Mrs. on the back for the first time, to do the May Day Hastings Run. I am a little concerned, as I sat her on the back the other day, just whilst sat on the driveway and it immediately felt really uncomfortable and unstable for both of us?

She felt like she was looking and leaning right over my head and I felt her every movement even whilst the bike was stationery. She hasn't got any gear yet, but we don't want to go out and buy it, if she decides its not for her.

Just wanted to get you guys opinion on this. Does it just take some time to get used to, or is the 2016 zx6r just an uncomfortable bike to have a pillion? I know super sports in general aren't designed with pillion passengers in mind, but I plan to cruise around with her on the back at a steady pace. Still consider myself a newbie as Ive only had the bike for about a year now. Not sure if it makes a difference, but we are about the same height, (me 5",9 and her 5", 8) and I probably weigh a good 1.5 stone more than she does.

Any advice would be much appreciated. Cheers.
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It changes the way the bike feels and handles for sure. Slow maneuvering will be hard. If you have her support herself on the tank it will help you out a lot. You will also feel every little move she does. I did a lot of 2 up riding before going track only and it takes a little bit to get used to it.
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I can't imagine ridding with a pillion with this bike.
It doesn't lend to comfortable riding for either. Education is your only hope, explain how you control turning, it's not so much steering but leaning.
If she moves so does the bike. SO to help you both out SLOW movements by her will greatly increase both your pleasure during the ride.
She will notice the bike ride smoothing out as you don't have to make large corrections.

Might look at something like this. MOTORCYCLE/MOTORBIKE PILLION PASSENGER LOVE HANDLES/GRIPS HOLDING ON GRIPPERS | eBay
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The best advice I can give to anyone who is contemplating carrying a passenger, is to have the passenger take basic rider instruction.

When a passenger is also a rider, they know where to look, and what to do to upset the bike the least.

SS bikes are tougher to carry a passenger on, because of how far 'up' and 'back' the passenger's mass is. As they are pretty much outside the rider triangle, their mass produces a lot of leverage which will directly affect the handling.

If they are scared of cornering, they will make the corners much worse than they would be if they understood how the process of cornering actually works.

A significant other is one of the most difficult people in the world to teach -- so much less stressful to the relationship if you have a third party involved.
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Thanks for that, I have looked into those handles, they seem a lot better than the little strap provided on the pillion seat. Another concern I have is that when I sit on the bike, there is a good size gap between my back/backside to where the seat steps up to the pillion seat. Just wondered if there's any chance of her sliding into my seat every time I brake, or will her feet on the pegs stop her from doing this?

Probably over thinking this too much, but when I bought this bike I had no plans to carry a pillion as it was supposed to be my treat, for me time only! Haha
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Balancing in the driveway is a tough comparison. The bike stabilizes itself a LOT once you're rolling (esp. above 5MPH or so).

Anything above parking lot speeds is not too bad, except braking. Your rider will be best off if they can reach the tank with their arms wrapped around you. If they use their arms to support themselves during hard braking it'll keep the weight off your torso.

Be careful when you stop. If you're used to stopping quickly with a little lean and then going again, that won't work. You need to be upright when the bike is stopping/ed.

Otherwise, just tell your rider to look over your shoulder in the direction you're turning.

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http://advrider.com/index.php?thread...endium.257898/

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.................... Another concern I have is that when I sit on the bike, there is a good size gap between my back/backside to where the seat steps up to the pillion seat. Just wondered if there's any chance of her sliding into my seat every time I brake, or will her feet on the pegs stop her from doing this?.............
How far she shifts on the seat will be entirely at your mercy. The way you keep yourself from sliding forward, is by squeezing the tank with your knees. She won't have that ability.

There is very little she could do to brace herself with her feet. The locking effect between the heel of a shoe and the peg won't do much, because of how high and forward of those pegs she will be. As she shifts forward, her legs and feet will 'roll' over the peg.

Street bikes for many years had passenger grab handles built into the sides of the tail section so the passenger had a place to brace from..... the passenger bar added to the filler neck of the tank is a better solution than that -- as long as she can hold her weight with her arms to some degree. Far better than nothing at all.

My rules for passengers is they have better safety gear than I do. As they are not in control and you are liable for their health and safety, it is the operator's responsibility to do as much as possible to keep the passenger whole. Best way I know to do that is to have their risk be less than mine. If I am uncomfortable, I will be more careful.....

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If you want the bike to handle properly (and be more stable), then adjust the rear shock preload for the extra weight of the passenger.

Here is another option for something for her to hold on to: https://www.amazon.com/GZYF-Passenge.../dp/B01HO5HAJ2

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Don't do it. No seriously. I took a girl on the back once (a few years back) who had ridden on other more comfortable bikes as a pillion (e.g. RF900) and funnily enough I bumped into her a couple of nights ago and she re-called how terrifying it was even at 30mph all those years ago. Having said that, I've had another girl who was a proper rider on the back and she put up with it (but certainly didn't enjoy it). The big issue is the gap you have between the rider and pillion and how high up/exposed they will feel. I know how this felt as I've been on a bloody Fireblade as a pillion at 130+mph and it is probably the scariest thing I've done yet. Get another bike for touring, seriously (and remove the rear seat and footpegs). I'd recommend what RJ2112 says - they need to be familiar with riding a bike before getting on the ZX6R. But even then they won't enjoy it. Getting someone who's never been on a bike is fine on other bikes but it is not worth it here (you are asking for trouble). The other issue you'll find is if they do actually do some basic training they may get the bug (to ride) and never want to pillion again. But that's another story...

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I've ridden from Portland to the Coast with a passenger. I've been way leaned over with a passenger on my ZX6R. I'll admit it's not ideal, but it's workable and, in the end, better than not doing it at all.
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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Riding with a pillion is actually good practise for making your riding as smooth as possible. But doing it first time for a "run" is probably not a good idea. Try riding around a parking lot and then moving onto the neighbouring streets - just make sure you anticipate stops well in advance. The extra weight significantly (considering she is 5 foot 8!) changes the handling and you can easily dump it and her. Not fun.
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