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post #16 of 26 Old 03-29-2017, 10:49 AM
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Also...avoid aggresive riding before going through that stream, water can warp or even cause cracks to your brake disks if they are hot enough.
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Watch out for fish. They can be tasty. But smell bad when stuck in brake rotor. Also no using worms as bait, they will likely find their way into your brake system through a process known as wormosis and then you'll have to get braided lines and ceramic discs.
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^^ I completely agree..... the rate of progression of water into the braking system is not likely to be directly related to the presence of moisture on the rubber....

If a portion of the braking system is submerged for a length of time, there is an increasing probability of water getting into the system. If the pistons move against the seals in the calipers, there is a stronger chance of intrusion.... water is trapped in that area any time the bike gets wet. Capillary action would keep the nooks and crannies wet for quite some time. I would think that heating up the brakes to evaporate out any trapped water would be a good idea.

As the pistons normally only move a .010" or so, the seals don't actually 'slide' on the pistons -- they just rock back and forth. Maybe, they stretch a little and maybe that creates a slightly higher chance of water ingress....

On a side note, I have made it a religion to toss out any brake fluid I do not use, when I open a new can to flush braking systems. That's why I always buy the smallest container I can find....whatever I do not use is thrown away. Even if it's cheaper by the gallon, the total cost is effectively whatever I pay for the whole container.


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I believe the introduction of water molecules into the system is via a transport mechanism of the dirt/brake pad dust, etc.The O2 in water is such a unfaithful whore that quickly leaves its H2 mate(s) in water and adheres to a myriad of other molecules in the debris. Only to recombine with with Fe (iron) components in the caliper/rotor transforming via redox (gain of electrons & a loss of oxidation, vs oxidation which is loss of electrons & a gain of oxidation); this results in Fe2O3, iron (III) oxide, a.k.a. rust.

There obviously would be other 'Rust' type reactions with other elements, again, because that harlot O2quickly 'loses interest' with whichever other elements it has temporary shacked-up with. Only to flit on to another.

This leads to the point I made previously regarding getting all the braking done prior to entering the water. Keep the sphincter-like pucks in place to dissuade the introduction of the unholy mixture of douche-water to the brake system.

And yes, I too would perform a few quick/hard stops to build sufficient heat to encourage the evaporation/boiling-off of any water that just might have wend its way passed the pucks.

Periodic Maintenance: Another fabulous reason why it's very important to disassemble the caliper, pulling pads & the pucks, sanding any offending areas, remove dust from work performed (see above: why this is important), and re-install pucks using a high-temp grease, etc.

And once again, I concur completely regarding purchasing smallest brake fluid container. I might save the remainder for up to 4-wks, because somewhere in that period, I'll perform the same process on my wife's R6. Then I discard any remainder. I make a point of not even purchasing the DOT 4/5.1 until shortly prior to addressing the brake system.

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I think we are worrying about this a little too much lol.
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Watch out for fish. They can be tasty. But smell bad when stuck in brake rotor. Also no using worms as bait, they will likely find their way into your brake system through a process known as wormosis and then you'll have to get braided lines and ceramic discs.

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Seriously though, I would ride around a stream (unless I was on a bloody adventure bike). The last thing you want to do is loose traction and go over, get bogged and stuck or risk any sort of geo-mechanical issue. It's worth the extra effort to go a different route for piece of mind.
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I've ridden through downpours, streams, mud (caliche, e.g. very sticky clay mud), gravel roads, dirt roads, low water crossings, etc., and I haven't had any issues with anything (and no perceptible increase in water content of my brake fluid). My first track day was pretty much a downpour all day.

These bikes are pretty weather resistant and rugged!

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No doubt they are rugged but if you had a choice to avoid a stream every bloody commute, I would do that.
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Thanks for all the tips and the science lessons too.

So far I've just avoided it on the bike. Last time I went through it in the car the biggest worry I had was ducks. It didn't look like it would be too slippy, water was pretty clear and free of algae and the concrete ramp isn't actually that steep at all.

Think I'll have a good look tonight on my way home at it. Can always turn around and go back if I think no thanks. I did see two guys on BMW Adventure Bikes heading toward it the other day. Admittedly they are more suited on their bikes but can't be that different on such shallow water.

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good timing with this one! I don't recall having seen an 'official' ford before, just flooded rivers etc.
So it was a new experience to see one this week. I was up in North Yorkshire and everything is really old there.

I even took touristy photos of it and a volkswagen using it haahaha

I wouldn't be biking through one, the water was flowing and it looked really old and made of stones or some roundish old type of bricks and very uneven at that.
But my bike is not for any practical reasons and only for riding in nice dry days for fun.
I'd be riding the bike over the footbridge right next to it.
But it would be doable on the bike.
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