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Thank you guys for all of the skillset encouragements, and kind words. I definitely need to work on just basic exercises again. I let myself get lazy and sitting down honestly thinking about it, had I been better prepared I would have been able to stop. I hope this video serves as a learning tool for someone.

Once I heal, back on two, back to the weekend grind. I wish my nearest track wasn't 5-6hrs away.


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Thank you guys for all of the skillset encouragements, and kind words. I definitely need to work on just basic exercises again. I let myself get lazy and sitting down honestly thinking about it, had I been better prepared I would have been able to stop. I hope this video serves as a learning tool for someone.

Once I heal, back on two, back to the weekend grind. I wish my nearest track wasn't 5-6hrs away.
Best thing to realize is that you wont always have a clear path on the other half of the road. You can always correct mistakes, but remember that had there been a car in that lane you may not have the chance. I've had a lot of close calls, and we learn from those, but always remember that you control your fate only to a small extent, but that small extent is the difference between a fun ride on the bike, or a silent ride in an ambulance.
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The upper practical limit for speed on the street: Never ride faster than you can stop, in the space that you can see.

This has to take into account your reaction speed as well.

It may be less practical in heavy traffic, but you should always monitor the situation as far ahead of your present position as possible...... to the far horizon, if at all possible. With enough time on your side, very small changes can yield big results. The less time you have, the more drastic the action.

It's important to understand how close to the edge of traction you already are, before you make a sudden demand for more.

The classic example is the statistic form the Hurt study in LA.... the speed at impact for the VAST majority of motorcycle/auto impacts was less than 30 MPH. If you think about it, that means the rider was going about 30 MPH faster, than he could stop.
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Glad you're ok. I saw the short clip on Instagram which led me to the youtube video. Have you picked up a new bike yet?
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Glad you're ok. I saw the short clip on Instagram which led me to the youtube video. Have you picked up a new bike yet?
No I'm not in a rush. I decided i'd wait a month to let my body heal, and give my mind time to learn from my mistakes & the situation. That is important to me, as riding is a luxury. Probably pick something up in May


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I'm not gonna add much to this aside from: I hope you learned that the rear brake is utterly useless in this case and that's what caused you to crash. You weren't going that fast and could have easily slowed down enough to not have anything happen.

But that engine just cuts out to nothing... ass end swings way out and you highsided. Textbook rear braking gone wrong.

Glad you're ok. And go hit that parking lot and practice some emergency stops!
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Glad you're ok.

I'm responding here to a youtube comment, and this is not at you, but at people who say, 'I had to lay it down'. - A bike always stops better on its tires. Any speed you can bleed off before impact will save you a lot of impact energy. There is NEVER a case (that I can think of) where it's better to 'lay it down'. Seriously, brakes + tires, even if you won't stop 100%.

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What happened to the girl at the end?
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Very late to the game but as I was watching the video, all I could think of was "and that is exactly why you should not be using the rear brake on a sportbike"

Glad you are ok!
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She crashed further up the road. That's why all those cars were stopped
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Glad you're ok.

I'm responding here to a youtube comment, and this is not at you, but at people who say, 'I had to lay it down'. - A bike always stops better on its tires. Any speed you can bleed off before impact will save you a lot of impact energy. There is NEVER a case (that I can think of) where it's better to 'lay it down'. Seriously, brakes + tires, even if you won't stop 100%.

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True...but a lot of times laying it down will let the bike take most of the hit while allowing the rider to deflect off and slide away from the crash.
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True...but a lot of times laying it down will let the bike take most of the hit while allowing the rider to deflect off and slide away from the crash.
The physics of the thing do not align with this thinking.....

If you and the bike are going the same speed, it isn't going to matter which one hits first. that's like saying the second person who jumps out of a plane without a parachute will hit the ground with less energy than the first one.

Didn't work for Wile E. Coyote, it won't work for you.

When you part company with the bike, you and it will be going in the same direction, unless you are flung off in a high side. Even then, the change in direction is minimal. Maybe a couple of feet.

Rubber wearing away trumps leather wearing away, which trumps skin and bones. Stay on the bike. Keep it upright.

Slow down.
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The physics of the thing do not align with this thinking.....

If you and the bike are going the same speed, it isn't going to matter which one hits first. that's like saying the second person who jumps out of a plane without a parachute will hit the ground with less energy than the first one.

Didn't work for Wile E. Coyote, it won't work for you.

When you part company with the bike, you and it will be going in the same direction, unless you are flung off in a high side. Even then, the change in direction is minimal. Maybe a couple of feet.

Rubber wearing away trumps leather wearing away, which trumps skin and bones. Stay on the bike. Keep it upright.

Slow down.

Actually, a person has a significantly smaller mass than a bike (for most people), meaning that a person's momentum is vastly less than a bike at the same slide speed. Thus, a person (whether wearing cow or sliding on skin) will slow down much much FASTER than a sliding bike will. I can attest to this as I had a low side a while back where I ended up 20 meters from a curb when the bike's tire bumped that curve. Now, I'm not saying it's ever good to intentionally lay a bike down, but you WILL slow down faster than the bike does.
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The physics of the thing do not align with this thinking.....

If you and the bike are going the same speed, it isn't going to matter which one hits first. that's like saying the second person who jumps out of a plane without a parachute will hit the ground with less energy than the first one.
Well...think of it this way: Lets say theres a car taking a turn too fast and its gonna crash into the wall. Would u rather be strapped to the hood of the car or strapped to the trunk?

Id rather be on the trunk. My body will have the same momentum regardless, but this way I would be using the car as the "shock absorber" to cushion my impact.
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