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post #1 of 22 Old 05-30-2016, 06:04 PM Thread Starter
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Who is at fault. Help!

Help Need advice on this incident

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post #2 of 22 Old 05-30-2016, 06:06 PM
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Idk I would have to say biker ..
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I'll have to say the rider. If he/she had been paying attention would have seen that long before it became an issue. That minivan was backing out plenty slow enough and did stop before even coming close to crossing the path of the rider.
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post #4 of 22 Old 05-30-2016, 06:13 PM
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Legally: the Biker. Traffic entering the road whether backing out or pulling into the road has to yield to traffic, which you can clearly see the minivan did, even though he had pulled into a portion of the street, he didn't actually enter the right of way of the motorcycle. The motorcycle would've passed safely without a collision.

This accident would be failure to control rather than failure to yield. Same as if a passing car panicked and ran into a tree in the front yard of the house.

Now biker to biker, this person (OP?) needs to seriously consider their braking skills. As is often the case with motorcyclists, they do not practice emergency braking enough and often panic in these types of situations. Had this been at faster speed and a car turning into the left of the bikers right of way, he'd probably be dead. This drop was totally avoidable and 100 % panic and absolutely 0 % the cars fault.

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Biker mainly. (in this case) Can't tell speed, doesn't look fast on either party.

Van clearly seen backing up with PLENTY of time to come to a NON panic stop.
Secondly even if not seen until right before the van pulled into the street there wasn't a car coming the other way with more than enough room to avoid the van.

Did the van not properly back up sure and IF the van backed up really fast that would be another subject. Would bet the van driver did not see the motorcycle until to late.

You asked and hope it wasn't you, if so do some track days to work on panic responses.
Laying the bike down was totally unnecessary.
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Sorry OP you're going to be paying for your bikes damage on that one .
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How is that even a question?

Rider swerved TOWARDS the minivan and laid the bike down several feet before the actual vehicle. Learn not to target fixate and panic brake and this would not be a problem.

All you had to do to avoid the entire incident was kick it 2' to the left and goose the throttle the tiniest bit.
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post #9 of 22 Old 05-30-2016, 07:54 PM Thread Starter
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thanks.
nothing happened to the bike thank god
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nothing happened to the bike thank god
You better start hitting parking lots and practicing emergency braking. Do some research on motorcycle progressive braking. This shit will save your life.

I don't mean to be so hard on you but that was ridiculous to crash at that speed in that situation. You will not be prepared the day a car comes flying in front of you making a left hand turn and it may cost you your life. Take this as a learning experience to basically open your eyes to your lack of attention and/or skill in braking and collision avoidance. Good luck! Ride safe!
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Should have just rode a wheelie over it like Evel Knievel. I mean, that's what everyone else does.
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MSF courses teach you how to swerve to avoid stuff like this...chalk that up to rider inexperience!
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In all seriousness. You were at fault. Going too fast and or not paying attention to your surroundings. Look way ahead of where you are going and always be alert about everything that is going on around you. It'll save your life.
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sorry but i cant disagree with what everyone else has said

youve been given a lot of useful tips take note of them, also on estates like that i would stick to the middle of the road it gives you a better view of whats happening ahead and you have more room to swerve round if something like that happens again (and if you stick with bikes it will)

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So, my personal opinion, the biker

Now I truly believe it's the cars fault but I think the law will say the biker, and it's because I was in a similar situation a few years back.... I was driving in my lane and a car cut me off, so I panicked and swerved to the next lane where there was a car in my blind spot, and trying to avoid me, he swerved, lost control and by the curb and destroyed his tire.... Because my car didn't touch him, they said I wasn't at fault... I dealt bad and wanted to pay for the tire... But as the law is concerned, I think that's your answer... But I could be wrong
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