I talked to the Pinebox guy and asked him how loud his exhaust is because I dont want to be that loud. He said it is almost the same as taking off your stock muffler and running like that. ......s**t!!!!!!...... Have any of you ever started your bike with no muffler??!! It is ungodly loud and obnoxious to boot. So, although the pinebox looks the best by far, I think I am gonna have to go with something else because I dont like loud sportbikes. I mean I dont understand how anyone could like a loud four cylinder. I am a V-8 man myself. I cringe every time some deusch with a fart can on their civic comes flying by me.