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post #16 of 29 Old 08-12-2016, 11:53 AM
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Thanks for the replies and the suggestions.

The wiring info is what i assumed. But i didn't even think about the enclosure having a built in cut off for the low beam. I have done my fair share of automotive mods but tearing into the headlight assembly is a little scary for me.

Even though it is expensive the pre-built enclosure with the demon/angel eyes has really grown on me. I think I am going to pull the trigger.
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post #17 of 29 Old 12-19-2016, 04:58 AM
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Thanks for the replies and the suggestions.

The wiring info is what i assumed. But i didn't even think about the enclosure having a built in cut off for the low beam. I have done my fair share of automotive mods but tearing into the headlight assembly is a little scary for me.

Even though it is expensive the pre-built enclosure with the demon/angel eyes has really grown on me. I think I am going to pull the trigger.

Hey there! I am still interested to know what you ended up with :-) Could you please post some pics and pen-down a few things. We all will benefit from you! thanks!
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post #18 of 29 Old 12-19-2016, 05:32 AM
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I am planning a headlights upgrade to LEDs. But very confused on what to go for. For the moment, I have three LEDs in mind:
1) H7 4th Gen 3K Lumens
2) H7 5th Gen 4k Lumens
3) and finally, the OPT7

My goal is to have both the bulbs to be turned on when its on low beam or on high beams. did a lot of search, I couldnt find enough information. For the moment I am inclined towards the 4th or 5th Gen CREE. Reviews seem good. Looking for expert advise here :-)
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I am planning a headlights upgrade to LEDs. But very confused on what to go for. For the moment, I have three LEDs in mind:
1) H7 4th Gen 3K Lumens
2) H7 5th Gen 4k Lumens
3) and finally, the OPT7

My goal is to have both the bulbs to be turned on when its on low beam or on high beams. did a lot of search, I couldnt find enough information. For the moment I am inclined towards the 4th or 5th Gen CREE. Reviews seem good. Looking for expert advise here :-)
For both bulbs on, both low beam and both high beam, you have to open your headlight and replace your projectors with dual beam ones, like morimoto.
This is a how-to for the 09-12 headlight, it's similar to the 13-17.
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post #20 of 29 Old 12-28-2016, 08:10 PM
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To follow up with what "etuke" mentioned, I am interested in what people are saying about this as well. I have a '13 636 and want to upgrade the headlights. Just don't know if I should go HID or LED, and of those two, what is a really good brand to get? I've looked into DDM tuning and they look pretty flemsy. I've heard of yanashiki but don't know much about it either. So my question is a two part, HID or LED which is better, and second what is a really good brand to get?
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To follow up with what "etuke" mentioned, I am interested in what people are saying about this as well. I have a '13 636 and want to upgrade the headlights. Just don't know if I should go HID or LED, and of those two, what is a really good brand to get? I've looked into DDM tuning and they look pretty flemsy. I've heard of yanashiki but don't know much about it either. So my question is a two part, HID or LED which is better, and second what is a really good brand to get?
I am still running the halogen bulbs on my '09 for a number of reasons -- personally I would love to go to LED.

The issue with LED is the amount of heat the CREE LEDs generate. The amount of light for the power used is phenomenal; and it should be standard on every bike sold IMHO. The problem is that heat. There is enough of it concentrated in a small enough space that the standard solution involves a fan assembly on the back of the bulb. I keep checking the dimensions in the drawings offered on each of the bulbs I have seen for sale -- seems like all of them add at least 3/4" to the 'back' of the bulb..... I've gone and measured the gap between my bulbs and the fork. Less than 3/4".

The clearance between the end of that fan and the fork legs when you go to full steering lock may not exist. If you steer full lock, you could either damage that fan, or knock the 'bulb' out of alignment, or simply not be able to steer as far over as you should be able to.

LED would definitely be my preferred solution; but it doesn't look to me like there is a 'good' answer there for my application as of yet.

That leaves HID. Short answer is only install one, and make it a 'smart' 35 W unit. You will get more than adequate additional light.

The biggest issue with HID, is the amount of power they draw as they come up to full operation. When they are at full temp, they draw less power than the halogens would...... that's a good thing. Motorcycle electrical systems are very weak. Just strong enough, to deal with the loads designed in. Adding more power demands causes accelerated wear, particularly to the alternator. HIDs do NOT always use that same low power consumption.

The current draw at start up can be 3-5 times what is used during 'normal' operation. That spike in demand is outside what the EE at Kawasaki designed for. When you are talking about one 35W HID, the issue is not extreme. Steady state draw 35W/12 = ~3 Amps. ..... the EE at Kawasaki had to account for two 55W halogens, 110W/12 = ~9.2A If you decide to go with 55W HID, 55W/12 = ~4.6A steady state..... still well below the budget for STEADY STATE.

During start up, when the draw is 3-5 times steady state, the 35W HID will draw between 15 and 9 A -- slightly over the budget (if you want to call 140% 'slight'), for a short period of time.

If you do the 55W single HID, during start up it will draw between 23 and 14 A..... rough.

Doing two 55W HID, starting up together...... as much as 46 A is a problem..... nearly 500% of the designed load. 28 A is still significantly beyond the designer's expectations.
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post #22 of 29 Old 01-05-2017, 07:14 AM
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I am in the verge of upgrading to LEDs on my 2016 ZX6R KRT. I have more or less finalized the LEDs from HorizonLEDs in the UK.

I will be writing my experience once i finish the upgrade. I am heading towards "the road less travelled" direction , I am considering the conversion from a H7 to H4. This will allow me to have both bulbs turned on when either low or high beam is selected.

Two options being considered:
Option 1: is to have the H7 turned on all the time and the low beam of H4 should turn ON when low beam is selected and high beam of the H4 should turn ON when high beam is selected.

Option 2: If the previous option becomes too complex, then I will install two H4s and high or low beam of both bulbs will be selected at a time.

Expected issues:
- I am aware that the H4 will not fit into the H7 slot. I am hoping that I can attach/solder the metal "plate" of the existing H7 bulb. I do not want to touch/change the headlight assembly. worst case scenario, i will cut the LED bulb holder to match the H7 holder
- i need to upgrade the harness as H4 has 2 +ves and one -ve while H7 has one +ve and one -ve
- Option 1 might require me to install a relay.
- theoretically my idea should work, but I haven’t taken precise measurements to see if all is feasible. I need to measure the rear length of the LEDs. I am already sure that i may need to cut open the rear of the headlight rubber dust cap. I need to check if the LEDs are going to touch the forks (I expect it to be ok).
- I am a bit annoyed by the slow response rate by HorizonLEDs guys, but they were closed for few days i believe. Just waiting them to process my order.

PS: all experts out there, please throw your 2 cents in

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I went through all these options when I bought mine. Have to say the road I chose has been incredibly easy, super cheap, and been literally night and day for headlight improvements. Seriously just save yourselves the headache and spend $40 at DDM tuning for one slim 4300k HID kit. Took me an hour to install it because I wanted to hide everything to look oem.

Brightest headlights you can get, you wont need both trust me. Just the low beam works wonders, perfect cutoff from the 2013 projector. No delay in starting, haven't had an issues with power draw. Friends have told me it doesn't blind them from behind but it lights up the whole road.

Best things are you have your high beam in case the ballast goes out as back up head lights. Ballasts do go out, they have on me on multiple vehicles after a few years of course. DDM replaces them for free if they go out.

I can take lots of pics if you guys need, or even help you install if you are near San Diego. Paired them with some white LED parking lights the LEDs don't match perfectly but I didn't want them to.
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Thanks for your input chomorro! Although my brain suggested to take your advice, I ended up listening to my heart . I ended up ordering one H7 and one H4 LEDs.

I created my list of reasoning to justify my irrational behaviour

1) I love experimenting. Barring one person, albeit many years ago, I couldn’t find anyone doing this mod (without opening the headlight assembly). So I am excited to try this out, and if i succeed, it will be a BIGGGG satisfaction. Worst case scenario, I will buy one more H7 and H4. I will use the H4s in my car.

2) I am big fan of "bluish" lights. The LEDs that I have ordered come with few colour temperature filters - so i can choose the colour temperature.

3) There are no drivers/ballasts.

4) I got a good deal on the LEDs (obviously bit more than what you paid for your HID).

In the meantime I am exploring the possibility of installing demon eyes - but without ripping apart the headlight assembly. I am a big fan of angel eyes, but i think its not possible to install it without opening the assembly.
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DDM sucks. I have their HIDs for my bike and my GTO and neither works great.

Unless their LEDs are of far better quality than their HIDs .... avoid.
Interesting...I've had their HIDs on 4 different vehicles including my bike (that one for about 3 years now) and have had no issues with any of them

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I went through all these options when I bought mine. Have to say the road I chose has been incredibly easy, super cheap, and been literally night and day for headlight improvements. Seriously just save yourselves the headache and spend $40 at DDM tuning for one slim 4300k HID kit. Took me an hour to install it because I wanted to hide everything to look oem.

Brightest headlights you can get, you wont need both trust me. Just the low beam works wonders, perfect cutoff from the 2013 projector. No delay in starting, haven't had an issues with power draw. Friends have told me it doesn't blind them from behind but it lights up the whole road.

Best things are you have your high beam in case the ballast goes out as back up head lights. Ballasts do go out, they have on me on multiple vehicles after a few years of course. DDM replaces them for free if they go out.

I can take lots of pics if you guys need, or even help you install if you are near San Diego. Paired them with some white LED parking lights the LEDs don't match perfectly but I didn't want them to.

I just ordered HIDs from DDM tuning, everyone I talked to here in town goes through them and recommended them. Glad to see people on here think the same!
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I just ordered HIDs from DDM tuning, everyone I talked to here in town goes through them and recommended them. Glad to see people on here think the same!
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Wells it's easier for me. They are right down the street lol. So if something doesn't work I just take it back. Out of four sets I did get one dud Ballast once but they just swapped it out for me no questions.


Actually when I returned the one dud they gave me two new kits so I got two Ballast and two bulbs for free too!
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Theretrofitsource.com is the place for quality lighting products! Ive put Morimoto stuff in all my bikes, never a problem. You get what you pay for when it comes to lighting.
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Hey guys, i'm a little confused about the lighting situation. When I got my bike, I got a 35W 5000K DDM Tuning HID Kit for it, and it works great. However, the one thing I haven't been a big fan of is the wiring harness that's required to help power the ballasts. I've been thinking about swapping to LED bulbs, and saw someone in this thread mention the OPT7 set. After reading up on it, it looks very nice, and I'd be interested in getting it.

Questions (For Easier reading):

1. I'm just wondering if anyone has used them on their bike yet? I have a 2013 zx6r. I saw someone mention that there might not be enough clearance between the bulbs and the forks, but OPT7 specifically makes a motorcycle bulb.

2. Also, how would the brightness be with the OPT7 bulbs compared to the DDM Tuning HIDs?

The other thing I don't like about the HIDs is the "warm up" time. Especially when turning on my high beam. It takes a good 7-10 secs for it to reach full brightness, and I want something that uses a little bit less power too, since I have another LED lighting kit and a Bazzaz fuel controller and auto tuner installed. So the more power I can save the happier my electrical system will be. I have a Shorai LFX18A1-BS12 waiting to go in too because my bike will no longer start due to a bad battery. Thanks for the info you all can provide.

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