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post #31 of 47 Old 10-22-2015, 04:56 PM
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That was not my video, it was the guy pitted next to me, and he just got the bump to blue group after this session. There were a greater number of off track excursions that weekend, probably due to the colder temps.

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post #32 of 47 Old 10-22-2015, 06:51 PM
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I find your story amazing and very similar to mine.
Bought my first bike in 1978, road it from Denver to Miami and survived S. Fla traffic for several years.
I would say I had 25 years of experience before my Total Control course then a track day.
After the track day, I would say I had 1 year of experience, 25 times.

Only did one track day the first year, 2 the next. 3 the following and about 7 this year.
Just wish my progress was equal to yours. For that congratulations.

I find track days some of the most fun I have ever had. By the end of the day I'm beat.
Had never consider going to the gym, after this year joined the Y so I can work on the legs and cardio.
After reading this thread, it makes me think I really need to back off and work on the basic's again. The last set of track day pictures show the body position I though I had isn't.

Thanks for taking your time sharing and passing some of your experience and love of riding along.
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I find your story amazing and very similar to mine.
Bought my first bike in 1978, road it from Denver to Miami and survived S. Fla traffic for several years.
I would say I had 25 years of experience before my Total Control course then a track day.
After the track day, I would say I had 1 year of experience, 25 times.

Only did one track day the first year, 2 the next. 3 the following and about 7 this year.
Just wish my progress was equal to yours. For that congratulations.

I find track days some of the most fun I have ever had. By the end of the day I'm beat.
Had never consider going to the gym, after this year joined the Y so I can work on the legs and cardio.
After reading this thread, it makes me think I really need to back off and work on the basic's again. The last set of track day pictures show the body position I though I had isn't.

Thanks for taking your time sharing and passing some of your experience and love of riding along.
Thank you for your response! Again, another who has followed the same path. There are MANY like us.

As for the progress, well, we all progress at our own speed. You did 3 track days, I think I did 10 my first year. It is all relative but I would bet that I have a LOT more track time than you do.

And yes, funny how our desire to ride well affects other aspects of our lives. I can tell you for sure that I would not be watching what I eat or exercising at all if I did not know that it had a direct impact upon my lap times.

Finally, we ALL can benefit from going back to the basics. I try to spend my entire first day at the track just making sure that things are as I expect them to be. Practicing good body position, braking habits, etc.

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Good read, Thank you!

I had a incident a few years back while racing dirt bikes.

I went down in a race and into a tree, a branch impaled my neck, went in about 8", weaved in between my veins at a down word angle ended up very close to my voice box. I had about the size of a silver dollar hole in my neck.

I was very lucky to be alive laying there in the hospital. Lots of things like taking a break from racing and riding was going through my head, or to quit all together.

They stiched me up from the inside out. I spent the next week thinking about motorcycles all together. I had lost a friend 2 years prior on the street bike, we watched him pass away on the side of the road. I thought, now this happened to me. My thoughts were to sell everything and give it up.

I had many conversations about riding over the next two weeks with friends. Anyways, I ended up two weeks to the day, I woke up that morning and I made my self load up my bike into the truck. Then headed our spot, I still had stiches in the neck and hurt a bit. I put my gear on, started the bike and sat there for a while. Just thinking.

I did ride that day and still ride. But I believe if I have not got back on that bike 14 days later I would have quit all together. The meaning to the saying, "if you fall off the horse you gotta get right back on". Makes a whole lot more sense to me now.
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This is a really great read. I stepped away from motorcycles because my ego would not let me tell everyone why I REALLY laid my CBR(RIP) down. I didnt LAY it down...I highsided like the guy on the R1 in the vid. Doing stuff I didnt have the skill for. My rebirth was September 26, 2015. I have only done 400 miles since then, but so what. I told myself, if I am going to do this motorcycle thing again, I am starting over from scratch. Thats why I am choosing to take every possible class avaible from MSF before heading to the track. Once I have developed enough balls for a track day...I will be able to put my left hand down too...lol
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Good read, Thank you!

I had a incident a few years back while racing dirt bikes.

I went down in a race and into a tree, a branch impaled my neck, went in about 8", weaved in between my veins at a down word angle ended up very close to my voice box. I had about the size of a silver dollar hole in my neck.

I was very lucky to be alive laying there in the hospital. Lots of things like taking a break from racing and riding was going through my head, or to quit all together.

They stiched me up from the inside out. I spent the next week thinking about motorcycles all together. I had lost a friend 2 years prior on the street bike, we watched him pass away on the side of the road. I thought, now this happened to me. My thoughts were to sell everything and give it up.

I had many conversations about riding over the next two weeks with friends. Anyways, I ended up two weeks to the day, I woke up that morning and I made my self load up my bike into the truck. Then headed our spot, I still had stiches in the neck and hurt a bit. I put my gear on, started the bike and sat there for a while. Just thinking.

I did ride that day and still ride. But I believe if I have not got back on that bike 14 days later I would have quit all together. The meaning to the saying, "if you fall off the horse you gotta get right back on". Makes a whole lot more sense to me now.
Damn, that is some scary stuff there. Everyone has their own level of risk that they are willing to accept to be able to ride. For some people, that first crash is all it takes to get them to reassess their priorities. Others go much further. For me, I think I could stop myself from breathing before I could stop myself from riding. This sport may be the death of me, and I would die a happy and fulfilled man. There is no right or wrong choice here...it is entirely up to the individual. I have had many broken bones, torn ligaments, bleeding, internal damage, and multiple concussions...and I am still racing :-p

A little bit of a sidetrack here about a racer mentality. Most riders when they have a near-crash slow down. They worry, have doubt, or are simply fearful and that causes them to slow. For me, I do the opposite. Dumb, I know but it is true. This last year I had a 'moment' coming out of a turn where I actually highsided the bike but somehow landed back on the seat and was able to keep going. I mean my feet were over my shoulders. I never rolled off the gas and my subsequent lap was actually faster.

When something like that happens I get this feeling in my head that tells me 'Whoa, that was close. There was no way that you should still be on two wheels...BUT YOU ARE! SHIT YEAH! I AM MOTHER F#&$ING INVINCIBLE!' and I grip that throttle harder. Probably not the smartest thing ever, but that's what happens for me.

Kudos to you for getting back on that horse and continuing to do what you love. Some day, you may decide that you do not love to ride any more and that is the day that you must walk away. I am truly hoping that this day never comes for me, but if it does I will walk (limp, crawl) away without a single moment of regret.

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This is a really great read. I stepped away from motorcycles because my ego would not let me tell everyone why I REALLY laid my CBR(RIP) down. I didnt LAY it down...I highsided like the guy on the R1 in the vid. Doing stuff I didnt have the skill for. My rebirth was September 26, 2015. I have only done 400 miles since then, but so what. I told myself, if I am going to do this motorcycle thing again, I am starting over from scratch. Thats why I am choosing to take every possible class avaible from MSF before heading to the track. Once I have developed enough balls for a track day...I will be able to put my left hand down too...lol
Welcome back to the sport. My advice would be to take everything at a pace that is natural to you. Check yourself. If you find yourself riding at 100% of your ability then you are destined to crash...dial it back and use your riding time to learn...it will pay bigger returns down the road.
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Mind if I link this to my local thread, gtamotorcycle.com?
It's a great read
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So glad this was bumped. My first year of riding I made a real effort to learn to ride. I can look at the progress of that year in the track photography.

Unfortunately, life happens and I am basically a novice/beginner again. When I get out and ride I have an idea of almost everything I am doing wrong and by the end of a day riding I have started to smooth out a lot of the mistakes. Then several weeks go by and the cycle continues.

I really need a string of several track days and the practice, learning, and patience that comes with a track day.

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So glad this was bumped. My first year of riding I made a real effort to learn to ride. I can look at the progress of that year in the track photography.

Unfortunately, life happens and I am basically a novice/beginner again. When I get out and ride I have an idea of almost everything I am doing wrong and by the end of a day riding I have started to smooth out a lot of the mistakes. Then several weeks go by and the cycle continues.

I really need a string of several track days and the practice, learning, and patience that comes with a track day.
It gets easier with repetition for sure and it is absolutely a perishable skill. The difference between my riding in the fall and the next spring is night and day. I have to re-learn lots of things.
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@PainfullySlo , so how long ago did you start doing track days and how long after that did you start racing? I'm guessing since you said you had 23 years of riding experience before, you didn't start riding on the track early on in life.

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@PainfullySlo , so how long ago did you start doing track days and how long after that did you start racing? I'm guessing since you said you had 23 years of riding experience before, you didn't start riding on the track early on in life.
My first track day was 2009 and I started racing midway through the 2010 season.
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My first track day was 2009 and I started racing midway through the 2010 season.
Oh wow, so not as long as I had the impression. You wasted no time getting into racing, whereas I waited about 3-4 years. Did my first track day at the end of 2010, and only really started racing in 2015 off an on when I get the chance.

Seeing that you progressed so much in that relatively short time period gives me hope! ...I know I'll never get to MotoAmerica level, I set realistic expectations, but my goal is to constantly improve even if it's a little bit at a time. So long as I keep improving, it means I'm having fun and gaining experience.
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I had a somewhat different experience. *Somewhat*

I started riding in 1993 at 11 years old on a little Honda XR80. I terrorized the neighborhood. All I had available to me was about 1/4 mile of dirt road and a 3/4 acre flat field to play in. But I rode the tires off that thing 1/4 mile at a time. Then it was cruisers from 14 years old on to last year. Same way, self taught, just came to me like I was born on a bike. I also went through the period of riding in rain, sleet, cold, snow, and so on.

I believe this was the last picture of me on a cruiser.


I got my ZX6R on my birthday, July 2015. In less than 3 weeks I was in Cresson Texas at a Ride Smart track day. I had the suspension set up and started off in novice. I was scared, very scared. I was not very fast but I was able to use my experience from the last 22 or so years to translate into this type of riding pretty well. My throttle control seemed to be where it needed to be. I knew to be light on the bars, and my instructor told me he has not seen anyone in novice drive out of the corners like I did in a very long time. I had always used my front brake for 90% of my braking, I think mostly because my 78 sportster that I had ridden most of my miles on had a terrible back brake so the fronts and engine braking was all that would stop it.

This was my very first track picture on my first track day.


I got into it because I had a couple friends that rode super sports and had tried to get me on one for several years. I'm glad I didn't get one until I did. My best friend had been going to track days for 2 years and I was able to learn from him about gear and safety. He also had me watch Twist of the Wrist II before I got mine after I had ridden his a time or two. If I hadn't started out on the track I might have ended up wrapped around a tree pretty quickly...

In the year and 4 months I have had mine I've been to 5 track days and I have gotten decent at line selection and consistency. At Barber I'm going to try to move up to A group net time I go. I seem to be in the top 10-25% speed and am more consistent in the corners and lines than most in I group.
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