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post #76 of 107 Old 12-14-2016, 02:32 PM
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Motocross is different.
You are right about that . But that's funny.
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Great thread! I really enjoyed this one, especially hearing about other organizations track rules.

My first track experience was 6 months in to riding. It was an open track with no corner workers. If someone went down and was injured you were supposed to ride back to pit-in and put out the red flag and then tell someone. On track we had me, the complete newb, fast-intermediate and advanced riders, and guys with number plates. It was quite the experience, nothing like a baptism by fire, three abreast through a sweeper, inside passing, being bumped in a corner. I did a piss poor job figuring out the lines which had to piss off the experienced guys but I did get to work on trail braking which was cool. It was a great experience and pretty much sold me on track days.

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It's interesting the different expectations at track days and what ppl allow. I would never ever ever ride a track with no corner workers.

The organization I ride with has raced ridiculous amount of money to deploy air fence at VIR . They have made this available to any organization that rides at vir completely free of cost. Just have to get some time out of the containers and set it up and tear it down. Some organizations don't use it and I don't ride with them.

My theory is that there is additional safety equipment that could potentially save lives literally 20 yards from the track and you aren't using it? That makes me question if the organization cares about my safety. Especially when I volunteer to help set it up and tear it down.

I say that to make the point there's no way I'd ride without corner workers because that would really make me worried that u don't care about my safety!

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Wow. That's fucking unsatisfactory. I hope they get sued out of business. They're going to get people killed.
Yea no thanx ya douche.


I have NEVER heard of that happening at HPR, so

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Wow. That's fucking unsatisfactory. I hope they get sued out of business. They're going to get people killed.
I wouldn't say that, just that I hope someone told him to pay attention after that.

And when I say motocross is different I mostly mean it costs $20 not $120. For $20 you can come scoop me up with a tractor at the end of the day that's fair haha. On paved courses I think you at least need someone checking people in coming onto the track so at the end of the session if someone isn't accounted for they can go get them.
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I wouldn't say that, just that I hope someone told him to pay attention after that.

And when I say motocross is different I mostly mean it costs $20 not $120. For $20 you can come scoop me up with a tractor at the end of the day that's fair haha. On paved courses I think you at least need someone checking people in coming onto the track so at the end of the session if someone isn't accounted for they can go get them.
Not to mention motocross tracks are smaller, and you have a lot better visibility of the whole track without needing a bunch of corner workers.

On road courses, you need to have enough people to have eyes on every foot of the track cuz you never know where someone's going to crash, and those people need to be trained to swivel their heads. The crash I had a few months ago was in an area not too far from a corner station, maybe about 100 yards. I was amazed that I got up, walked all the way to the nearest tire wall, jumped up on it, and still no yellow flags. Nobody had seen me even though I had clear view of the corner workers. They were simply looking only in one direction instead of scanning their whole area...SMH!

Also not really a matter of making people wait to get picked up. ZARS was pretty interesting in that they only pick up bikes right before lunch and right at the end of the day. So if you crash in the first session, or the first session of the afternoon you are basically screwed even if the damage is minor and you could ride again. They just make sure it's out of the impact zone and that you're ok. It gets people to think twice before doing something stupid. But every track day org I've ridden with so far, if they see you crash and you're not moving or able to get up on your feet, they wait maybe 10-20 seconds and the red flag goes up because it means it's likely serious. I don't care how much people pay for a track day, it's not worth the potential loss of life or someone. I'll gladly get my ass off the track as quick as I can to let the ambulance go out.

....which brings up another topic....those guys that ride at 30 mph when a red flag goes up....SMH! Get the fuck off the track faster! Not saying you should be going at race pace and risk another crash but not crawl in 1st or 2nd gear either.
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Yeah every track day provider I have been with runs full corner workers that are 100% professional and organized.

People would have been left to die at track days I've been to if the day was run as horribly as previously described. That shit does not fly out here. We've had people that needed to be air lifted off the track directly. You're just gonna wait 30 min and let them die?

Comparing 3 mile road courses at 200+ mph potentially to a motorcross track is kind of laughable lol.
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Other than riding at a private track, I have never and would never ride at a track without corner workers.

My most recent crash (where I got run over) I had a corner worker to me literally within 15 seconds, and an ambulance at my side in under 1:30. This is a dangerous sport when riding at that level and I see absolutely no reason to accept any further risk to my life by riding without safety professionals on station.
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I have NEVER heard of that happening at HPR, so
Great. Yeah, not wanting people to die is douchey. Get a grip
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It's obvious that many don't ride motocros here. On a real motocross track you have jumps ranging from 30 ft to 120 ft , elevation changes etc. Up and down hills over big jumps. I see plenty of need for corner workers but it is about money. It is always about money. Some people don't mind paying $150 + to ride their motorcycle. I like safety but at what cost. Not really laughable, is it? It may be a bit off topic but there is plenty of danger on a motocross track as well as a road course. I always get the attitude from the road racer bunch that road riding is more dangerous. Look at it from a professional perspective. How many serious injuries are to Moto gp riders vs Supercross or Outdoor Motocross? Expand your mind, don't just talk shit for the sake of taking shit.
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It's obvious that many don't ride motocros here. On a real motocross track you have jumps ranging from 30 ft to 120 ft , elevation changes etc. Up and down hills over big jumps. I see plenty of need for corner workers but it is about money. It is always about money. Some people don't mind paying $150 + to ride their motorcycle. I like safety but at what cost. Not really laughable, is it? It may be a bit off topic but there is plenty of danger on a motocross track as well as a road course. I always get the attitude from the road racer bunch that road riding is more dangerous. Look at it from a professional perspective. How many serious injuries are to Moto gp riders vs Supercross or Outdoor Motocross? Expand your mind, don't just talk shit for the sake of taking shit.
I think motocross is a lot more dangerous than road racing from an injury point of view. Even the professional WSBK or GP riders tend to get more injuries in their free time practicing around on a dirt bike in motocross than they do during their pro races. My point was mainly from a visibility stand point. On a big road course you crash at a fast speed and slide off the track for over 100 yards and just be gone and nobody would know if there's no corner workers. A friend of mine ran off the track at well over 100 mph at Putnam and ended up outside of track limits beyond the tree line that was past the runoff area. Had there been no corner works to see him run off nobody would've known he was missing. That's why it's important to have those corner workers. Motocross tracks are much more compact and you can usually see the whole thing from a couple of high points. Not saying they don't need corner workers by any means, it's just they don't need that many.

I think they should all have some form of safety workers there an ambulance. Just like with road courses, I wouldn't want to ride on a motocross track that doesn't have any help there, like ambulance and corner workers. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the norm with dirt tracks, and like you said, that's what affects the cost of the ride a lot.
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It's obvious that many don't ride motocros here. On a real motocross track you have jumps ranging from 30 ft to 120 ft , elevation changes etc. Up and down hills over big jumps. I see plenty of need for corner workers but it is about money. It is always about money. Some people don't mind paying $150 + to ride their motorcycle. I like safety but at what cost. Not really laughable, is it? It may be a bit off topic but there is plenty of danger on a motocross track as well as a road course. I always get the attitude from the road racer bunch that road riding is more dangerous. Look at it from a professional perspective. How many serious injuries are to Moto gp riders vs Supercross or Outdoor Motocross? Expand your mind, don't just talk shit for the sake of taking shit.
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You might be more easily injured riding dirt or more frequently, I mean I always get at least one boo boo a day lol and last time cracked my clutch perch. But road racing injuries when they happen can be more devastating. You can see plenty of full days long at a motocross track with hundreds of riders and no major problems but ambulances being used at track days or races are a common occurrence

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If I had to place myself it would be a siphon. Having said that my questions normally would be did yous see me and have any suggestions.
I know most of my weakness and work hard on braking old habits. (they die hard)

What do you call the rider who thinks he is up and coming Hayden, is riding on the edge of disaster and rides a group below so he can feel better about being the fastest rider in the group.
While not adhering to the rules, like NO PASSING IN THE CORNERS in novice or in intermediate not observing the 6 foot passing rule.


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What is good advise for a noob's first time riding with a mixed group? Would it be ride at your pace and ride very predictably? I want to do a track day to get it out of my system but hate to hold up others who have much more time in than me.
Brandon I totally agree with the other suggestion about a mixed group.
Starting out, do a orginized track day. In our area there is Ducati who now works with Mid-West track days and I've become very impressed with STT.
You have my number, just let me know when. David is in novice and I'm sure would be there for support. Let me know if your going to Putnam, we normally have an open slot in the trailer.
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I do know one thing for sure. When I spend $175.00 ( like for a Let's Ride Trackday), I feel like I need to get my monies worth of riding time at that track day, thus putting me out there riding while potentially exhausted. This can result in a rider that is less prepared to deal with adversities. This can contribute to people crashing. I am very experienced with motorcycle riding and racing so I don't necessarily fall prey to the exhaustion part of the senario. I know when to call it quits. I get my riding done and call it a day. I have seen many more road track riders crash at track days as opposed to people at local motocross tracks. I think when you only pay $25 a day for a motocross trackday, you don't feel like you need to go out a hang yourself in the process.
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I do know one thing for sure. When I spend $175.00 ( like for a Let's Ride Trackday), I feel like I need to get my monies worth of riding time at that track day, thus putting me out there riding while potentially exhausted. This can result in a rider that is less prepared to deal with adversities. This can contribute to people crashing. I am very experienced with motorcycle riding and racing so I don't necessarily fall prey to the exhaustion part of the senario. I know when to call it quits. I get my riding done and call it a day. I have seen many more road track riders crash at track days as opposed to people at local motocross tracks. I think when you only pay $25 a day for a motocross trackday, you don't feel like you need to go out a hang yourself in the process.
Yeah I've met a few people like that too. I guess there isn't much of an advice for people who feel like they need to get every minute of track time to make themselves feel better about spending that amount of money, other than simply put: DON'T DO IT!

My track org does 7 x 30-minute sessions in a day, so you have the potential to do 3 and a half hours of riding if your body can take it. I can tell you that on average I do 6 sessions and I do 15 minutes at most per session, so that's about an hour and a half...less than half the total potential amount. Usually comes out to be around 40-45 laps. I have no regrets! And I'm probably in the bottom 20% of the people there as far as wealth. Many people have a lot more than I do and don't care if they waste a whole day due to weather or other reasons. I care cuz money doesn't grow in trees, but I've never once forced myself to stay out on track longer than my body or my head allowed to. Sometimes I've even called it quits a session early simple because I felt like I started to make mistakes and I wasn't as focused as I should've been.

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