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post #16 of 21 Old 12-19-2014, 11:07 AM
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Absolutely. My fastest laps are always the ones where I feel like I am going slowly. You cannot force fast, it has to come naturally and comfortably. When you are pushing the envelope, you naturally tense up which, oddly enough, makes you go slower =)

When I got my last personal best lap, I had absolutely no idea that I had gone as fast as I had. I thought I was a good second+ slower than I actually was...because it was easy, and it flowed naturally.
My last time out at Chuckwalla over Thanksgiving, I dropped four seconds off my previous best (from July) in my first session out. It felt effortless during that session, and I kept wondering why everyone else was going so slowly.

Later that day, my buddy (who I have been 1-2 seconds per lap faster than lately) passed me and quickly put 100yds between us. I fought so hard to keep up and could not. Everything felt hectic and wrong. I also kept thinking something was wrong with my bike, the session just felt like it was the worst I had ridden all day.
I came back into the pits and had dropped another 2 seconds that session.

Sometimes speed comes easily and smoothly, and sometimes I fight tooth and nail for it.

Edit: I like your idea of systematically setting up your markers. I have had a hard time getting markers down because every time I go out to the track, I am dropping time so quickly that as soon as I have a marker set, it becomes useless.
I think for next year I am going to keep a notebook with track maps and markers written down to help me with them.

This past year I would just set corner entry speed by feel, which I found worked pretty well. Most sessions my lap times would be with 1-2 seconds of each other for the whole session (except the out lap).

But speaking to the original intent of this thread, most of the confidence increases for me came through decreasing my lean angles (even at faster speeds) through turns by improving my body position, and trusting that I could feel the tires more.

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@PainfullySlo , what do you do when you go to a new track? Do you spend the first few sessions figuring out your brake markers, turn-in markers, gear selection, etc.? From your write-up it seems like you're the methodical type of rider that uses markers on the track for pretty much everything. I'm noticing that there are 2 schools of thought with that and it's a debatable topic just like the use of the rear brake. When I started, I was told by a few to use markers, and that's really the only way to do it if you want to be fast and consistent. Made sense to me, especially being a numbers guy, so I did it that way, but since then I've met people that have told me the exact opposite. Jake Zemke came over to one of our track days to do a school and we had a Q&A session with him during lunch and I specifically asked him this question. He said he never uses markers for anything on the track and he does it all by "feel". He's not a big advocate of using markers because depending what they are they can change from day to day, month-to-month, etc. and they can also be covered if you have other riders directly in front of you for example, blocking your view of those markers. Even when he goes to a new track he said he just does it by feel and obviously by looking far into the turns and he associates each turn with similar turns from other tracks (obviously this method works better if you've gone to a fair amount of tracks not just a couple).

Since then I've met others who say the same thing and are pretty damn fast. They just do everything by feel. I started doing the same thing as well in the last couple of years and my consistency hasn't dropped and my pace has gotten faster. Now granted, I'm sure that's not simply because I'm not using markers, I just got better with more practice, but still. What I tend to do now, once I get used to the layout of a track, is instead of using actual markers like cones or patches on the track or things of that nature, I just go by a visual indication of how far the turn is from me. This is harder to do on a faster bike.

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@PainfullySlo , what do you do when you go to a new track? Do you spend the first few sessions figuring out your brake markers, turn-in markers, gear selection, etc.? From your write-up it seems like you're the methodical type of rider that uses markers on the track for pretty much everything. I'm noticing that there are 2 schools of thought with that and it's a debatable topic just like the use of the rear brake. When I started, I was told by a few to use markers, and that's really the only way to do it if you want to be fast and consistent. Made sense to me, especially being a numbers guy, so I did it that way, but since then I've met people that have told me the exact opposite. Jake Zemke came over to one of our track days to do a school and we had a Q&A session with him during lunch and I specifically asked him this question. He said he never uses markers for anything on the track and he does it all by "feel". He's not a big advocate of using markers because depending what they are they can change from day to day, month-to-month, etc. and they can also be covered if you have other riders directly in front of you for example, blocking your view of those markers. Even when he goes to a new track he said he just does it by feel and obviously by looking far into the turns and he associates each turn with similar turns from other tracks (obviously this method works better if you've gone to a fair amount of tracks not just a couple).

Since then I've met others who say the same thing and are pretty damn fast. They just do everything by feel. I started doing the same thing as well in the last couple of years and my consistency hasn't dropped and my pace has gotten faster. Now granted, I'm sure that's not simply because I'm not using markers, I just got better with more practice, but still. What I tend to do now, once I get used to the layout of a track, is instead of using actual markers like cones or patches on the track or things of that nature, I just go by a visual indication of how far the turn is from me. This is harder to do on a faster bike.
I guess you can say that I use both. When I am learning a new track I absolutely look for reference points to use while refining my line. This allows me to optimize my path around the track.

Once I become familiar with a track I ride almost exclusively by feel. The reference points are there but I really don't consciously look for them. When I am struggling I fall back to using reference points because it is a default standard that I can use to get around the track and circumvent whatever funk I am in. I hope that makes sense :-p
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