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post #16 of 92 Old 01-23-2015, 11:17 PM
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Man....what an excellent thread Slo!! Thanks for taking the time to do this for the "MANY" of us who are considering racing. I am planning on my first track day this year. I am glad to see you recommend a "Ninja 650R" as a good race bike to start on. I just happen to have a 2007 and have been riding it since 2011. I am very comfortable on the bike and know it like the back of my hand. Very excited for this years riding season!!
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post #17 of 92 Old 01-23-2015, 11:47 PM
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always fun reading your posts, sir.

I get my license with AFM next Saturday! Will be racing 600 Production and Superbike (and maybe 750, just for more seat time) on my 2013 ZX6R! CAN NOT WAIT FOR ROUND 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry, I would have used more words in my response but you seem to have hijacked every word in the english language.

Excellent post, as always man. Keep it up!

I'll actually enter a race when I can keep all of the pieces on my bike and in good working order. Even then I might just pack extra duct tape and a quart of oil and hope for the best.
I am fairly certain I left at least a handful of words for you to use. Ingratiate, colloquialism, and lascivious are still on the table for sure.

And you are already halfway there. Zip ties and duct tape are the staples of any good racing team =)

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Man....what an excellent thread Slo!! Thanks for taking the time to do this for the "MANY" of us who are considering racing. I am planning on my first track day this year. I am glad to see you recommend a "Ninja 650R" as a good race bike to start on. I just happen to have a 2007 and have been riding it since 2011. I am very comfortable on the bike and know it like the back of my hand. Very excited for this years riding season!!
Two of my teammates race those bikes, and they are a blast. To be honest, I would LOVE to still be running in the lightweight brackets but I just cant swing running two different bikes. 5 races/weekend is grueling enough.

A great choice!

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always fun reading your posts, sir.

I get my license with AFM next Saturday! Will be racing 600 Production and Superbike (and maybe 750, just for more seat time) on my 2013 ZX6R! CAN NOT WAIT FOR ROUND 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats!! Please be sure to post up a race report, I (and I hope others) would love to hear about your exploits.

Oh, and racing up a class (using a smaller displacement bike to race in a larger displacement bracket) is a fantastic way to learn to make yourself push harder. Putting yourself at HP disadvantage is a great way to refine your apex speeds, etc.

Although, I will tell you, the 636 isn't that far off from a 750 at all =)
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I've never had any aspirations because of my weight. With my height and build there's no way to get under 200 without looking sickly. I always figured I would have a big disadvantage vs people weighing 50-75lbs less. Does that pretty much ring true?
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I've never had any aspirations because of my weight. With my height and build there's no way to get under 200 without looking sickly. I always figured I would have a big disadvantage vs people weighing 50-75lbs less. Does that pretty much ring true?
Is it a disadvantage? Yes. Is it a big one? Not really, and especially so at the novice level of racing where skill trumps everything.

The general rule of thumb is that every 7 lbs = 1 horsepower equivalent so if someone were 70lbs less than you, that would be approximately a 10 horsepower advantage. On a ZX6R with 120hp, that translates into roughly an 8% advantage. Not the end of the world.

Again, in the novice brackets I have seen people on 70hp SV650s blow the doors off of guys riding R1's. Skill is far more important than what you are riding or how much you weigh, especially so in the early days.

FYI the lightweight champion of our series is a guy named Rick Doucette who not only is over 40 but is every bit of 240lbs.

Also, if you read up, my teammate was 325 at the time of that picture and still having a blast racing.

And finally, if you ever get to thinking you are too big to race...I would like to introduce you to a guy named Ben Spies =)
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What Slo doesn't tell you is racing only gets more expensive as you get more into it.

Great example is the evolution of getting your bike to the track.

It starts with a $70 ramp to load your bike in the back of your truck. Then it's just easier to buy a $600 trailer to load all your stuff.

After a while, you're thinking, man, an enclosed trailer is really the way to go so I can just throw everything in there and keep it there... Plus I can sleep in it! So you spend $3k on an enclosed trailer.

Then, you're wanting a little nicer setup, so you spend $17k on a 'cheap' toy hauler. But then you find out your truck isn't really up to the task... So you spend another $50k on a new 3/4 ton truck.

And it all started with that $70 ramp.

I love racing. Unfortunately, due to costs and the loss of my favorite track (being turned into a neighborhood later this year), I'm only making 2 weekends. Unfortunately, just Friday practice, race fees, gasoline, and tires, I'm looking at close to $1200-1300/round.

But that's entering in 7 races instead of my usual 4 and needing an extra rear tire because of the extra 3 races.
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My post sounded really negative...oops. I don't regret a dime I've ever spent on racing. You just don't know how truly awesome it is until you do it. If you can hold a line and are comfortable with close proximity passing, sign up already!

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What Slo doesn't tell you is racing only gets more expensive as you get more into it.
"As you progress, you will find that the expense of racing begins to climb. At the very top end of the expert brackets, it can become quite costly but that will be many years away for most riders."

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Great read slo! Always informative on your posts! Ummmmmmm and I wouldnt mind being introduced to Ben Spies. As close as I got was yelling at him down the road at Indy one year for MotoGP telling him good luck. So yea, whenever would work for me! HA
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"As you progress, you will find that the expense of racing begins to climb. At the very top end of the expert brackets, it can become quite costly but that will be many years away for most riders."

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I'm wanting to do my own fiberglass repair and painting. Got any good info on paint or painting tips

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I myself is guilty about making excuses about getting into racing but reading this i just need to tell myself "just do it"

But great write up man. Glad you can share this with us. It's funny how you mention about weight. Last season I weighed 185lbs(my suspension is set up to this weight). Now I'm up to the 205 lbs range due to the gym (gained some muscles, mainly in the legs)now i want to bring the weight down I'm assuming more cardio than anything else. So I'm wondering about fitness and nutrition fit this sport.

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I'm wanting to do my own fiberglass repair and painting. Got any good info on paint or painting tips
I have done both but I am far from an expert at it. Fiberglass repair isnt terribly difficult. Bondo and paint, well, that is an art and a skill that I really havent gotten down all that much as I spend my time elsewhere.

I can do enough fiberglass work to make it functional but it wont be pretty. I leave that stuff to the professionals.

My time is also worth money so by the time I get a new body panel fixed, smooth, and painted I could have paid someone to do it for less.

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I myself is guilty about making excuses about getting into racing but reading this i just need to tell myself "just do it"

But great write up man. Glad you can share this with us. It's funny how you mention about weight. Last season I weighed 185lbs(my suspension is set up to this weight). Now I'm up to the 205 lbs range due to the gym (gained some muscles, mainly in the legs)now i want to bring the weight down I'm assuming more cardio than anything else. So I'm wondering about fitness and nutrition fit this sport.
This sport absolutely rewards 'wiry' people. You want strong legs and core muscles. Upper body needs to be in good enough shape to muscle the bike around but you don't want much past that as it is unnecessary bulk. Think reverse popeye: big legs, smaller upper body. Cardio is hugely important and overall physical health is key. Lean muscle mass, not bulk.

That is not to say that heavier or less fit people cannot race, but you will get tired more quickly. Thankfully most club races are 'sprints'. Usually about 8-12 laps which means somewhere between 12-20 minutes of racing.

To give you an example, I am reasonably physically fit. I could be better, but I am not carrying around an extra 20+lbs.

Our regular races are 8 laps but I also do an 'endurance' race each weekend which is 25 minutes or around 18 laps. When I see the halfway flag in that race I would swear that I have already been on the track for an hour.

For those that run track days, one race is about the equivalent of the entire day of riding in terms of physical demands. I hear this comparison from nearly every rider that comes from the track day world.

The good news is that I can now ride a track day like it was nothing =)

I will do a separate writeup for trackday/racing food and exercise.
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Dude, race season started almost 3 weeks ago and a track record was broken. You really need to move to more motorcycle friendly weather...haha
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