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Best thing I did in my life was racing, made some lifelong friends and had an absolute blast.

Got in loads of debt, broke plenty of bones, but the 1 trophy made it all worthwhile.
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Best thing I did in my life was racing, made some lifelong friends and had an absolute blast.

Got in loads of debt, broke plenty of bones, but the 1 trophy made it all worthwhile.
This pretty much sums up why racing is awesome =)
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Racing season is starting for most of us. For those of you who can ride/race year round, you get this instead
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Good write-up! Too late and tired to read all the comments, but I must say you left out some important things on the cost side. Even if you get the bike, gear and all that stuff, and you live fairly close to the tracks, the biggest costs that rack up quickly are the race fees and tires. Tires wouldn't be quite as big a deal on a lightweight bike, but on a 600+ bike it adds up quick! Then there's the race license and fees. If you're going to travel a few hours, it's not worth it for a 10-minute race...hence all these racing orgs have so many classes that pretty much no matter what bike you have, you can enter at least 3-4 races in a day, plus 1-2 practice sessions, you can just about make a day out of it. Not sure on the costs for all orgs, but CCS charges 85 for the first race, then 55 after that if I remember well from last year. So 4 races and you're already at $300 which is more than the cost of a track day and you get less riding time.

For me the biggest thing was the cost and the travel. I wanted to try it out, so I made it happen last year. Did 2 weekends with CCS at Blackhawk Farms and Road America. I can say it was the most fun I've ever had on a bike. But being 7 hours away from the closest track I can race at, most of which are farther away, and the cost of the fees is what keeps me away from doing it more unfortunately. Luckily our local track day organizer started doing a couple of races on Saturday evenings at each weekend even with 2 different classes (lightweight and superbike). So I'll get to do 9 of those if I attend all weekends. Those are unsanctioned, just for fun, but pretty much follow similar rules as most racing orgs and they even give out some trophies at the end of the season, and it's 120 bucks for all 9 races, or 20 bucks a race if you just do them individually. So much cheaper, and they're done at 2 tracks which are both within 1.5 hours from me. I'll have to settle for that for the time being, but hoping in the future I can do more. The camraderie at racing events is really awesome though! Lots of great people from all walks of life!

Aside from that, your write-up was spot on. I used to use some of those excuses until I just said "fuck it! I'm doing it!". I knew I wouldn't be fast, and my goal was to not be last each race! ....ended up getting 2 Second place trophies (don't ask how many people were in that class!...it was more than 2 though! )
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Good write-up! Too late and tired to read all the comments, but I must say you left out some important things on the cost side. Even if you get the bike, gear and all that stuff, and you live fairly close to the tracks, the biggest costs that rack up quickly are the race fees and tires. Tires wouldn't be quite as big a deal on a lightweight bike, but on a 600+ bike it adds up quick! Then there's the race license and fees. If you're going to travel a few hours, it's not worth it for a 10-minute race...hence all these racing orgs have so many classes that pretty much no matter what bike you have, you can enter at least 3-4 races in a day, plus 1-2 practice sessions, you can just about make a day out of it. Not sure on the costs for all orgs, but CCS charges 85 for the first race, then 55 after that if I remember well from last year. So 4 races and you're already at $300 which is more than the cost of a track day and you get less riding time.

For me the biggest thing was the cost and the travel. I wanted to try it out, so I made it happen last year. Did 2 weekends with CCS at Blackhawk Farms and Road America. I can say it was the most fun I've ever had on a bike. But being 7 hours away from the closest track I can race at, most of which are farther away, and the cost of the fees is what keeps me away from doing it more unfortunately. Luckily our local track day organizer started doing a couple of races on Saturday evenings at each weekend even with 2 different classes (lightweight and superbike). So I'll get to do 9 of those if I attend all weekends. Those are unsanctioned, just for fun, but pretty much follow similar rules as most racing orgs and they even give out some trophies at the end of the season, and it's 120 bucks for all 9 races, or 20 bucks a race if you just do them individually. So much cheaper, and they're done at 2 tracks which are both within 1.5 hours from me. I'll have to settle for that for the time being, but hoping in the future I can do more. The camraderie at racing events is really awesome though! Lots of great people from all walks of life!

Aside from that, your write-up was spot on. I used to use some of those excuses until I just said "fuck it! I'm doing it!". I knew I wouldn't be fast, and my goal was to not be last each race! ....ended up getting 2 Second place trophies (don't ask how many people were in that class!...it was more than 2 though! )
Thanks for the comments. I did leave out the entry fees as they vary from org and track. My current track is $60/race which includes 2 fifteen minute practice sessions per day. They also have a 50% off rule for new racers for their first 3 weekends (I think?) so it is $30/race if you are new.

Anyway, I usually run 4 races so my cost is $240 in entry fees. "expensive" is a relative term. I don't know about you but I could easily spend much more than that on a nice dinner and a night out with the wife.

I did cover the tires though =)
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$200 — two sets of race takeoffs from a faster racer. They are always selling takeoff tires and at your starting pace these will last you a season or more.
Even on a 600, at a newcomers pace, those two sets should last you quite a while.
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Anyway, I usually run 4 races so my cost is $240 in entry fees. "expensive" is a relative term. I don't know about you but I could easily spend much more than that on a nice dinner and a night out with the wife.
LOL...you're right about relative. Different people see it in different ways. If I ever spend anywhere close to $240 on a dinner or night out with anyone, I will ask the first person I see to shoot me because evidently I'm going crazy! haha...in my mind I would say "why in the hell would I ever spend that much on a dinner, when I can use that to buy a rear tire!?"

But anyway, I was comparing costs relative to track time, basically comparing to track days. The goal for a lot of people that get on the track is to get as many laps as possible for the least amount of money. That's where I was coming from when I said "expensive". $240 and you get about 40 laps in the day, whereas during a track day it might cost you 150-250 depending on the track and organizer (I've paid as low as 110 for a track day) and if you're fit enough you can get 80+ laps in that day.

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Even on a 600, at a newcomers pace, those two sets should last you quite a while.
Ahhh, you're talking about actual newcomer then...like track newbie type. I was talking about people that have reached a relatively fast pace but still not fast enough to be competitive in club racing (like myself). I go through a new set of tires in 3-4 days, depending on the tire (Michelins and Bridgestone slicks). I'll have to see how it goes on the ZX6 I just got, but I imagine it will be similar...plus I'm trying out Pirellis now which I heard don't last as long....but I don't want to turn this into a tire thread. The only takeoffs I would consider buying would be rain tires because I don't see myself using those for more than once or twice in a season, and I'd put them on my CBR500 which won't be too hard on tires. If I bought takeoff slicks from someone, they wouldn't be as useful because I'd get maybe 1 day out of them....and this is coming from a guy that's used to running tires until they're pretty much toast. Here's a picture of my last rear tire I ran on the 1198 before I parted out the bike ...I get my use of them. Of course that wouldn't work in racing if you want to be competitive because at that point your lap times would be shit. Learned that the hard way once as well!
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Realize I'm bumping a fairly old thread but this is really awesome info. Thanks for taking the time to write this.

I am extremely interesting in making the jump to club racing and found this very informative.

I agree with what SBK said, I've also gotten to the point where I am mid to upper Advanced group during a track day and go through a rear tire in about 2 days. So, I would guess between practice and 4-8 races in a weekend, I would probably need 2 rears? That's $180/pop (for dunlops at least) on top of race fees/gas/etc.

Do you slap a new rear tire on every race PainfullySlo?
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Realize I'm bumping a fairly old thread but this is really awesome info. Thanks for taking the time to write this.

I am extremely interesting in making the jump to club racing and found this very informative.

I agree with what SBK said, I've also gotten to the point where I am mid to upper Advanced group during a track day and go through a rear tire in about 2 days. So, I would guess between practice and 4-8 races in a weekend, I would probably need 2 rears? That's $180/pop (for dunlops at least) on top of race fees/gas/etc.

Do you slap a new rear tire on every race PainfullySlo?
I should use a new rear every race but I stretch it to ever other race. Understand that I am in the running for top positions in my grid typically. Until that happens you will not be using that much tire. Even with 4-8 races per weekend I would say that AT MOST you would use 1 rear at a mid-advance group pace.
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You could always race a ninja 300 and switch tires maybe once a year xD
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You could always race a ninja 300 and switch tires maybe once a year xD
No shit! My CBR500's tires that I put on at the start of the season will now have to be changed but only because of heat cycles. They seem hard as a rock now although there is plenty of rubber left, but I just don't trust them, especially after I spun up the rear at the last track day and crashed. I'm only about half ways down on the wear marks/dimples.

I think a set of SC1's is in order for that bike once the season starts
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I've been running the same set of Dunlop Alpha 13's for two races and at least five track days .. still tons of tread and sticky lol. I've started losing the front twice (saved thankfully) the rear won't spin up

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Back in the day i used to run race-scrubs.

At a track i liked for example, i ran a 1.00.2..... On scrubs.

Someone said i should try a new Supercorsa.. bought a set... i ran 1.00.3

It wasn't the scrubs holding me back... .it was me.

Of course there's a level where tyres come into play, but it's not that early on.
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Back in the day i used to run race-scrubs.

At a track i liked for example, i ran a 1.00.2..... On scrubs.

Someone said i should try a new Supercorsa.. bought a set... i ran 1.00.3

It wasn't the scrubs holding me back... .it was me.

Of course there's a level where tyres come into play, but it's not that early on.
Indeed. I would say that a good chunk of the amateur and novice grids at my local track run my race takeoffs. Especially for novices, a set of takeoffs with <50% life will last them most of a season.
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I've been running the same set of Dunlop Alpha 13's for two races and at least five track days .. still tons of tread and sticky lol. I've started losing the front twice (saved thankfully) the rear won't spin up
I'm not even sure how much time I have on mine but I know it's a lot. Hard to really get a good idea because I have 2 bikes, so even though I'm sure i've done 9-10 track days on those tires, it's probably been only about 25-30 laps per day. I count a race as a typical track day session, and I've done probably about 5-6 races on them. These are Supercorsas, SC1 on the front and I think an SC2 on the rear.

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Indeed. I would say that a good chunk of the amateur and novice grids at my local track run my race takeoffs. Especially for novices, a set of takeoffs with <50% life will last them most of a season.
Lots of opportunities from people like you in the paddock, the ultra competitive fast experts ...you can get some really good deals on tires that have like 10 laps on them and I can easily get 5-7 races on them before I start noticing the rear sliding around and lap times dropping down.

I have a very competitive nature as well but unfortunately my wallet doesn't, so regardless of where I'm at on the grid, I'd gladly sacrifice 1-2 positions for the race finish due to slightly lower lap times and save myself $450 a weekend. I'm sure my thought would be different if I had sponsors to help out and greatly reduce that cost, but so far I've been paying my way through everything 100%.

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