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I'm not even sure how much time I have on mine but I know it's a lot. Hard to really get a good idea because I have 2 bikes, so even though I'm sure i've done 9-10 track days on those tires, it's probably been only about 25-30 laps per day. I count a race as a typical track day session, and I've done probably about 5-6 races on them. These are Supercorsas, SC1 on the front and I think an SC2 on the rear.



Lots of opportunities from people like you in the paddock, the ultra competitive fast experts ...you can get some really good deals on tires that have like 10 laps on them and I can easily get 5-7 races on them before I start noticing the rear sliding around and lap times dropping down.

I have a very competitive nature as well but unfortunately my wallet doesn't, so regardless of where I'm at on the grid, I'd gladly sacrifice 1-2 positions for the race finish due to slightly lower lap times and save myself $450 a weekend. I'm sure my thought would be different if I had sponsors to help out and greatly reduce that cost, but so far I've been paying my way through everything 100%.
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If I can get sponsors you can too!
Maybe. First off I'd have to commit to a full season probably. I honestly don't really know much about the sponsorship process.
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Maybe. First off I'd have to commit to a full season probably. I honestly don't really know much about the sponsorship process.
Full season helps. I'm gonna guess you're faster than me. You could start out making a profile on Hookit

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Maybe. First off I'd have to commit to a full season probably. I honestly don't really know much about the sponsorship process.
Most of the time sponsors will want to see a full season but that is not set in stone. I was not able to race a full season last year due to injury and finances and not one of my sponsors has jumped ship. I will go further into that below.

Anyway, to get started you generally want to put together a race resume. This is an older one of mine but you get the idea.

https://madscientistmoto.com/wp-cont...5-16Resume.pdf

I realize that most newcomers will not have a lot of achievements under their belts. Focus on your desire to race, the accomplishments that you do have ("I did 9 track days" etc) and express with conviction your desires and aspirations. Remember, sponsorship is advertising for the manufacturer. Even if you are only doing a few races but are active on forums and track days they will consider you for exposure.

Hell, I have sponsored a few select riders at Mad Scientist Moto and none of them are top contenders...but they are all very active in the motorcycling community. As a business, I want people who will increase my exposure and brand awareness. Having a sticker on the #1 bike is great but if he never talks about you to anyone, what good is it?

To clear things up right away, you will not get money. They glory days of being paid to race sadly disappeared back in the 90's. What most companies will do is offer you a discount in exchange for exposure.

Start with the big oil provider at your local track. They are almost always willing to take on new riders at a discount. Get them your resume and see what you get back.

FYI, this is the time of year to get it done. By Jan 1 most of the sponsors may not accept new riders.

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Full season helps. I'm gonna guess you're faster than me. You could start out making a profile on Hookit
Let me get this out of the way; I have a hookit profile.

That said, Hookit represents all that is wrong with the industry and quite a few manufacturers are stepping away from it (rumor has it that Bell is pulling out of Hookit for 2017+) and I am sure others will follow. It does not benefit the sponsor.

Hookit isnt so much a sponsorship arrangement as it is applying for a discount. There is a difference.

I only carry sponsors whose products I believe in and actively use. Most of my sponsors I have had since I started racing and I have a personal relationship with each of them. I know them by name (and they know my voice). Keep in mind that this is a very small industry. Networking is big. Hookit is literally "apply for everything and see what I get" mentality.

Now, if you are going to be a 'flash in the pan' racer then hookit may work well for you; you need to buy a gopro and some oil filters so you go to hookit and apply. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes not. There is very little a sponsor can do via hookit to ensure that you are holding up your end of the bargain, and it only took them about 4 years to figure it out.

If you plan on sticking around more than a year or two, I would seriously consider a more personal approach with select vendors.
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Hookit helped me get a foot in the door at least. My best sponsors have been personal

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Most of the time sponsors will want to see a full season but that is not set in stone. I was not able to race a full season last year due to injury and finances and not one of my sponsors has jumped ship. I will go further into that below.

Anyway, to get started you generally want to put together a race resume. This is an older one of mine but you get the idea.

https://madscientistmoto.com/wp-cont...5-16Resume.pdf

I realize that most newcomers will not have a lot of achievements under their belts. Focus on your desire to race, the accomplishments that you do have ("I did 9 track days" etc) and express with conviction your desires and aspirations. Remember, sponsorship is advertising for the manufacturer. Even if you are only doing a few races but are active on forums and track days they will consider you for exposure.

Hell, I have sponsored a few select riders at Mad Scientist Moto and none of them are top contenders...but they are all very active in the motorcycling community. As a business, I want people who will increase my exposure and brand awareness. Having a sticker on the #1 bike is great but if he never talks about you to anyone, what good is it?

To clear things up right away, you will not get money. They glory days of being paid to race sadly disappeared back in the 90's. What most companies will do is offer you a discount in exchange for exposure.

Start with the big oil provider at your local track. They are almost always willing to take on new riders at a discount. Get them your resume and see what you get back.

FYI, this is the time of year to get it done. By Jan 1 most of the sponsors may not accept new riders.

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Let me get this out of the way; I have a hookit profile.

That said, Hookit represents all that is wrong with the industry and quite a few manufacturers are stepping away from it (rumor has it that Bell is pulling out of Hookit for 2017+) and I am sure others will follow. It does not benefit the sponsor.

Hookit isnt so much a sponsorship arrangement as it is applying for a discount. There is a difference.

I only carry sponsors whose products I believe in and actively use. Most of my sponsors I have had since I started racing and I have a personal relationship with each of them. I know them by name (and they know my voice). Keep in mind that this is a very small industry. Networking is big. Hookit is literally "apply for everything and see what I get" mentality.

Now, if you are going to be a 'flash in the pan' racer then hookit may work well for you; you need to buy a gopro and some oil filters so you go to hookit and apply. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes not. There is very little a sponsor can do via hookit to ensure that you are holding up your end of the bargain, and it only took them about 4 years to figure it out.

If you plan on sticking around more than a year or two, I would seriously consider a more personal approach with select vendors.
Thank you for the info! This has been very helpful, especially the example of your race resume. I've always wondered what a race resume looks or should look like. I knew the situation about money (or the lack of) and discounts. Everyone I've talked that has sponsors told me the same thing, that they get discounts for stuff. The only problem with that is some are a lot more useful then others. The real benefits of discounts would be for things you use all the time, such as tires, oil/filters, and gas. Having discounts on gear, like Alpinestars or equivalent brand, or manufacturers that make parts that you don't have to buy much of unless you destroy your bike, isn't as beneficial. If I look at my costs over the last couple of years for racing and track days, the biggest item was the actual fees themselves, for which you need cash, followed by tires. Those 2 items probably made up about 80% of the money I spent on this hobby.

If I could get tire discounts it would help a lot, but from what I hear there isn't much to be had there. Pirelli and Michelin don't offer much because their confident in their tires and they know people that want to be fast will get them anyway. Bridgestone does offer contingency, and Dunlop recently dropped their in favor of reducing the cost of their race tires for everyone (not by a whole lot though).
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Thank you for the info! This has been very helpful, especially the example of your race resume. I've always wondered what a race resume looks or should look like. I knew the situation about money (or the lack of) and discounts. Everyone I've talked that has sponsors told me the same thing, that they get discounts for stuff. The only problem with that is some are a lot more useful then others. The real benefits of discounts would be for things you use all the time, such as tires, oil/filters, and gas. Having discounts on gear, like Alpinestars or equivalent brand, or manufacturers that make parts that you don't have to buy much of unless you destroy your bike, isn't as beneficial. If I look at my costs over the last couple of years for racing and track days, the biggest item was the actual fees themselves, for which you need cash, followed by tires. Those 2 items probably made up about 80% of the money I spent on this hobby.

If I could get tire discounts it would help a lot, but from what I hear there isn't much to be had there. Pirelli and Michelin don't offer much because their confident in their tires and they know people that want to be fast will get them anyway. Bridgestone does offer contingency, and Dunlop recently dropped their in favor of reducing the cost of their race tires for everyone (not by a whole lot though).
As you surmised, tires are the biggest expense and also the most difficult to land as a sponsor. Generally speaking they know you need them so unless you are a top finisher (meaning newer racers look at you and say 'wow that guy is really fast. I want to be like him! I wonder what tires he uses?) they know they do not need to offer you anything and you will still buy the tires anyway. I am VERY fortunate that I have an arrangement with Pirelli which is basically because up until this year I was the fastest guy riding on Pirelli at my local track. There were many that jumped ship from Dunlop this past year and a couple really fast guys which is awesome for Pirelli. Having a championship or two under your belt doesn't hurt either ;-)

All I can say is: stick with it. If you plan continue with racing I would really encourage you to start down this path. For obtaining sponsors, my strategy was simple: determine what I needed/what brands I used and go after them. Once that is done, go after a 'general store' type provider.

For instance, I have Woodcraft for all of my hard parts (clipons, rearsets, bodywork, exhaust), Knox Armor for protection (Back protector, gloves), TCX for boots, Bell for my lid, GMD Computrack for suspension bits and tuning, that incredible place Mad Scientist Moto for levers, titanium, and team stuff (vinyl, t-shirts, umbrellas, basically team branded stuff), and Sportbike Track Gear for everything that does not get covered by the others (gear, maintenance parts, etc). I can't say enough good things about STG. They were one of my first sponsors and took a chance on a noob when they didnt have to. Great people for sure.

So...start with a general provider that can get you just about anything and then add specific sponsors as you can. Maybe you will only get 10% but that is 10% more you can spend on tires :-p
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Yeah out here pirelli only gives tire allowance to a handful of the fastest AFM racers, which are some of the fastest guys in the country maybe top 50. So competition is fierce lol. Like Cory Call and Joey Pascarella.

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As you surmised, tires are the biggest expense and also the most difficult to land as a sponsor. Generally speaking they know you need them so unless you are a top finisher (meaning newer racers look at you and say 'wow that guy is really fast. I want to be like him! I wonder what tires he uses?) they know they do not need to offer you anything and you will still buy the tires anyway. I am VERY fortunate that I have an arrangement with Pirelli which is basically because up until this year I was the fastest guy riding on Pirelli at my local track. There were many that jumped ship from Dunlop this past year and a couple really fast guys which is awesome for Pirelli. Having a championship or two under your belt doesn't hurt either ;-)

All I can say is: stick with it. If you plan continue with racing I would really encourage you to start down this path. For obtaining sponsors, my strategy was simple: determine what I needed/what brands I used and go after them. Once that is done, go after a 'general store' type provider.

For instance, I have Woodcraft for all of my hard parts (clipons, rearsets, bodywork, exhaust), Knox Armor for protection (Back protector, gloves), TCX for boots, Bell for my lid, GMD Computrack for suspension bits and tuning, that incredible place Mad Scientist Moto for levers, titanium, and team stuff (vinyl, t-shirts, umbrellas, basically team branded stuff), and Sportbike Track Gear for everything that does not get covered by the others (gear, maintenance parts, etc). I can't say enough good things about STG. They were one of my first sponsors and took a chance on a noob when they didnt have to. Great people for sure.

So...start with a general provider that can get you just about anything and then add specific sponsors as you can. Maybe you will only get 10% but that is 10% more you can spend on tires :-p
Great feedback! Much appreciated. You bring up a good point about distributors which I've also wondered about. I've seen people sponsored by STG, Riders Discount, and other general motorcycle parts/gear stores. What's the difference between having a distributor sponsor vs a manufacturer? If you have a store like STG sponsor you do you get a set % discount on anything they carry? Whereas if you have a manufacturer like Woodcraft, you have to order directly from them and they give you the discount, whatever it may be.

The other question I have, which I'm not sure if you want to answer or if you're even allowed to answer, but how significant are discounts from manufacturers, such as the ones you mentioned? It seems like everyone I've asked that has always hesitated to give me an actual percentage. Not sure if that's part of the agreements with the sponsors or what. Just trying to get an idea too see if it's worth it or not. A lot of times when I buy parts, I find various sales that help keep costs down (usually not on tires unfortunately), so just wondering on how much of a benefit it would be to have a racer discount for sponsorship.
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A lot of contracts state you cannot disclose financial deals. As a first year racer my best discounts are 50-75% ish. I think it's normal to start off around 25-30% depending on the company and what they sell etc. sometimes it's not a discount but they provide other benefits like free or cheap services. Like suspension people. Others can actually help pay for race entry fees or tires etc. I think that's the hardest to get. If you can get 35% or more off from a company I think that's pretty great.

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A lot of contracts state you cannot disclose financial deals. As a first year racer my best discounts are 50-75% ish. I think it's normal to start off around 25-30% depending on the company and what they sell etc. sometimes it's not a discount but they provide other benefits like free or cheap services. Like suspension people. Others can actually help pay for race entry fees or tires etc. I think that's the hardest to get. If you can get 35% or more off from a company I think that's pretty great.
Damn that's good! And yeah 35% would certainly be very helpful. My best opportunity which sadly I missed was a couple of years ago when I applied for a job with Michelin, that unfortunately I didn't get Part of their benefits package was 35% off all Michelin tires, didn't matter for what it's for. There was a yearly limit but it was very generous, like more than I would get in a year anyway. And every 5 years they gave a $2000 stipend for tires if I recall. I love my Pirellis but for that sort of deal I'd put fuckin Shinkos on! LOL....ok that might be an exaggeration but pretty much any of the main 4 tire brands!
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Excellent read!

After about 3-4 trackdays, I thought I was at least capable being competitive...that is up until I went to NJMP this past September to a Motoamerica race and was simply...astonished. Those guys are crazy fast! I did a TD the following day, and probably went as fast as a pace car.

I see @PainfullySlo talked about comraderie. I just can't get my head wrapped around that though. I mean from what I saw at NJMP, everything is against you-your bike, 'fellow' riders, your sponsors itching for you to be #1, money, and most of all...TIME(both on and off the track). Those guys eat, sleep, breathe racing and everything is competition. Being in the military, I am very used to a team attitude and everything wearing a uniform has your back, somewhat of a stark contrast I feel like in a racing career. Again this is just my observations.

Now to quote in the motivational speak Les Brown "What is it that you looked at, at some point in time and you decided that you couldn’t do it, that you talk yourself out of it." Racing is definitely it! I have thought about it and would love to get into CCS or WERA in some of the amateur races, but as soon as I roll on the track I feel like a snail to some extent. I have about 5 novice days under my belt lol.

I currently do TD's with Motorcycle Xcitement and love the org and Summit Point and Shenandoah. Both are solid tracks and Motorcycle Xcitement has a racing school! Trouble is you need to get to advanced class before entering...maybe one day....
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I have thought about it and would love to get into CCS or WERA in some of the amateur races, but as soon as I roll on the track I feel like a snail to some extent. I have about 5 novice days under my belt lol.
I have been doing track days for four years now, before that I had never ridden a motorcycle really. I raced last year in march after a little over 2 years of track days and came in second to last. It was fun to try and I like being able to say I have actually raced, but I wasn't really ready then.

Now that I have been riding for longer and have averaged about 20 track days per year, I am now getting close to the point where I think I can be in the top third in the local amateur class. I am still going to wait until the end of 2017 to begin racing again. By that point I hope to have gained more experience and improve my pace so that I can be competing for podiums.

My point is, focus on learning to ride well first, then worry about competing.
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Excellent read!

After about 3-4 trackdays, I thought I was at least capable being competitive...that is up until I went to NJMP this past September to a Motoamerica race and was simply...astonished. Those guys are crazy fast! I did a TD the following day, and probably went as fast as a pace car.

I see @PainfullySlo talked about comraderie. I just can't get my head wrapped around that though. I mean from what I saw at NJMP, everything is against you-your bike, 'fellow' riders, your sponsors itching for you to be #1, money, and most of all...TIME(both on and off the track). Those guys eat, sleep, breathe racing and everything is competition. Being in the military, I am very used to a team attitude and everything wearing a uniform has your back, somewhat of a stark contrast I feel like in a racing career. Again this is just my observations.

Now to quote in the motivational speak Les Brown "What is it that you looked at, at some point in time and you decided that you couldn’t do it, that you talk yourself out of it." Racing is definitely it! I have thought about it and would love to get into CCS or WERA in some of the amateur races, but as soon as I roll on the track I feel like a snail to some extent. I have about 5 novice days under my belt lol.

I currently do TD's with Motorcycle Xcitement and love the org and Summit Point and Shenandoah. Both are solid tracks and Motorcycle Xcitement has a racing school! Trouble is you need to get to advanced class before entering...maybe one day....
Not to shatter your dreams or anything but if all you've done was 4 track days and you're still in novice group, you probably shouldn't be thinking about racing at this point. On the other hand, don't gage yourself based on MotoAmerica guys...they're at a whole new level that most of us will never have to worry about because most of them are too good to even want to take part in club racing. But even though technically you could race as an amateur even now, my advice would be to not do it. If you're going to be the slowest guy on the grid by a fair margin it won't be fun for you and it'll frustrate the guys that will be lapping you in the race because you'll be in the way. Racing is only fun if you got other people of similar skill level to race against. If everyone blows you away in the first couple of turns and then you're on your own for the next 5-6 laps until you get lapped by the leaders, what fun is that really?? That's basically like a track day when there's nobody out on track Wait until you can comfortably ride in the advanced group at track day. Even then it's pretty amazing in the difference you'll see. One of the fastest guys at my local track who always sets the fastest times of the day and wins most of our amateur non-sanctioned races went up to Road America with a few of us this year to race with CCS and he got his ass handed to him. He's on a BMW HP4, and that's a big power track and there were amateurs that were slightly faster than him on 600s even! He was like 6-7 seconds a lap slower than the guys winning the amateur races in his class on 1000's!

Now regarding camaraderie...again, don't look at MotoAmerica or other pros. We're talking club racing here. Where most people know they'll never win yet they still do it for the fun. The top experts are really the only ones that are taking it very seriously, but even between them there is great camaraderie. I found people to be even more helpful than at track days because the thought is usually that missing a race for whatever reason is a bigger deal and much more disappointing than missing a track day session, so people are more willing to help each other out as best they can. A great deal of us don't even have sponsors so nobody's pressuring for you to be #1, aside from maybe yourself. YOU will most likely be your biggest enemy/rival. Nobody's really against you until the green flag is up. In the pits it's more of a friends and family feel. You also get to meet more people and make more friends from battling out on track regarding the position you're fighting for. Most people enjoy a good scrap regardless of whether you took them in the last turn on the last lap or whether they beat you. Sure there will be a few exceptions that are taking it way too seriously and they'll be pissed at you because you took that 11th place for them ...but for the most part it's all in good fun. Every time I've had a good on-track battle with someone during a race I always stopped by after the race and chatted with that person and talked about how fun it was, no matter if I won that battle or he did. At track days I rarely do that because it's a track day...I don't get into "on track battles" lol

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I have been doing track days for four years now, before that I had never ridden a motorcycle really. I raced last year in march after a little over 2 years of track days and came in second to last. It was fun to try and I like being able to say I have actually raced, but I wasn't really ready then.

Now that I have been riding for longer and have averaged about 20 track days per year, I am now getting close to the point where I think I can be in the top third in the local amateur class. I am still going to wait until the end of 2017 to begin racing again. By that point I hope to have gained more experience and improve my pace so that I can be competing for podiums.

My point is, focus on learning to ride well first, then worry about competing.
I agree, however I'll add that most people tend to get faster by actually racing, not just track days. I started racing last year and I was kind of a bottom-end advanced group level or maybe top intermediate level. I had sort of reached a plateau in that I was improving VERY slow with each track day, just fractions of a second at a time, or some days I wouldn't even improve. Then I did a few races and right away I started shaving 1.5-2 seconds off my lap times and continued to improve. Then I got a different bike (my zx6r and cbr500 this year), so I kinda had to start from scratch but this year I've improved every single time I've been on track! And all my best lap times came during races. For example in my last race of the season at my home track, before the race my best time was 1:37.8. During the 8 lap race, I ran like 5-6 laps that were faster than that, with 2 of them being high 1:35s. I think I've yet to run a single lap on that track under 1:38 during a track day session! I don't even think I've ran under 1:39 actually in a track day! lol
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Great feedback! Much appreciated. You bring up a good point about distributors which I've also wondered about. I've seen people sponsored by STG, Riders Discount, and other general motorcycle parts/gear stores. What's the difference between having a distributor sponsor vs a manufacturer? If you have a store like STG sponsor you do you get a set % discount on anything they carry? Whereas if you have a manufacturer like Woodcraft, you have to order directly from them and they give you the discount, whatever it may be.

The other question I have, which I'm not sure if you want to answer or if you're even allowed to answer, but how significant are discounts from manufacturers, such as the ones you mentioned? It seems like everyone I've asked that has always hesitated to give me an actual percentage. Not sure if that's part of the agreements with the sponsors or what. Just trying to get an idea too see if it's worth it or not. A lot of times when I buy parts, I find various sales that help keep costs down (usually not on tires unfortunately), so just wondering on how much of a benefit it would be to have a racer discount for sponsorship.
Generally speaking, the distributors give you a discount on whatever they carry. The manufacturers obviously give you a discount on the things they make. For instance, I could get my Woodcraft parts from STG and get a great deal but I get a better one by dealing with them directly as I am sponsored by them as well.

As far as percentages, it is whatever they offer/what you can negotiate if you are in a position to do so. I am not contractually obligated to not discuss the discounts that I get however I just feel that it is bad form and so I don't. What I can say is that generally speaking (for me) the discounts are substantial but hey, even if its 10%, isn't that better than 0%? Most of the time the discount will be directly related to how marketable you are to them. Remember this is advertising for them.

I had a company that I had been with for a long time and got a good discount. I helped out a new rider write up a resume (she is female) and she got a better discount than I did even though I had won championships and she had almost no riding experience. The short version is: boobs sell. In a marketing sense, a female racer is worth far more than some over the hill white guy who won a few races.

I swear if I were a woman and could ride like I do I would be running nationals on someone elses dime, full time.

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A lot of contracts state you cannot disclose financial deals. As a first year racer my best discounts are 50-75% ish. I think it's normal to start off around 25-30% depending on the company and what they sell etc. sometimes it's not a discount but they provide other benefits like free or cheap services. Like suspension people. Others can actually help pay for race entry fees or tires etc. I think that's the hardest to get. If you can get 35% or more off from a company I think that's pretty great.
35% is an AMAZING discount for a first year racer. Most of the time I see 15-25% offered.

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Excellent read!

After about 3-4 trackdays, I thought I was at least capable being competitive...that is up until I went to NJMP this past September to a Motoamerica race and was simply...astonished. Those guys are crazy fast! I did a TD the following day, and probably went as fast as a pace car.

I see @PainfullySlo talked about comraderie. I just can't get my head wrapped around that though. I mean from what I saw at NJMP, everything is against you-your bike, 'fellow' riders, your sponsors itching for you to be #1, money, and most of all...TIME(both on and off the track). Those guys eat, sleep, breathe racing and everything is competition. Being in the military, I am very used to a team attitude and everything wearing a uniform has your back, somewhat of a stark contrast I feel like in a racing career. Again this is just my observations.

Now to quote in the motivational speak Les Brown "What is it that you looked at, at some point in time and you decided that you couldn’t do it, that you talk yourself out of it." Racing is definitely it! I have thought about it and would love to get into CCS or WERA in some of the amateur races, but as soon as I roll on the track I feel like a snail to some extent. I have about 5 novice days under my belt lol.

I currently do TD's with Motorcycle Xcitement and love the org and Summit Point and Shenandoah. Both are solid tracks and Motorcycle Xcitement has a racing school! Trouble is you need to get to advanced class before entering...maybe one day....
We need to clarify some things:
There is a MASSIVE difference between MotoAmerica/AMA PRO racing, where people get paid to race, and club level racing where we are all pissing away our kids college funds for a plastic trophy and some bragging rights. I have been to many AMA events and while the people are all friendly, make no mistake they are the COMPETITION and there is no sharing of info, etc.

Now, here is the next big secret: No one is ready to race. No one. Every single person out there feels that they aren't fast enough/good enough/whatever enough to do it. I listen to people talk themselves out of it all the time, and that is fine. To most, they like the idea of racing but aren't really committed to making it happen.

If racing is truly something that you want to do, go and do it. This is why we have novice brackets.

Yes, you will be in the back of the pack. You may even be last. I will tell you with 100% certainty that nothing drives you to learn faster than competition. I would say that 1 race is = 10 track days in terms of what you learn, and why. I did track days for 2 years before I started racing and had plateaued on my lap times. I broke my lap record on my very first race, and took 10 seconds off of it by the end of the weekend.

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I have been doing track days for four years now, before that I had never ridden a motorcycle really. I raced last year in march after a little over 2 years of track days and came in second to last. It was fun to try and I like being able to say I have actually raced, but I wasn't really ready then.

Now that I have been riding for longer and have averaged about 20 track days per year, I am now getting close to the point where I think I can be in the top third in the local amateur class. I am still going to wait until the end of 2017 to begin racing again. By that point I hope to have gained more experience and improve my pace so that I can be competing for podiums.

My point is, focus on learning to ride well first, then worry about competing.
To each their own I suppose. Once you have the basics down you should be ok to go out and race.
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