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post #76 of 92 Old 12-16-2016, 08:54 AM
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Good read guys, great post.

I have been road racing since 1995 and just got thrown into it. Things were a lot different back then for sure, track day, what's that? All we had really were Friday practice before the race weekends! Hah!

Smooth is Fast was the motto I was taught back in the day, everything revolved around it and the speed came from following that motto. If you can hold a smooth line around a race course and pick lines out on new tracks quickly you can get out there and race, the biggest thing is to have fun, don't pressure yourself or get disappointed in coming in 2nd to last in your race... YOU are out there, YOU are learning, YOU will go faster with experience.

I went real road racing this year and being on the grid with the likes of the Dunlops, Anstey, Hutchinson, and many more is quite the experience... I didn't come in last but wasn't anywhere even towards middle of the pack... But ya know what? I was having FUN!

For FUN here is a lap of the Ulster GP on board with me in a National race over there, enjoy:


Thanks to PainfullySlo for putting this post together, good to see support like this. A lot of the forums don't have as good advice as you guys have given!

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Good read guys, great post.

I have been road racing since 1995 and just got thrown into it. Things were a lot different back then for sure, track day, what's that? All we had really were Friday practice before the race weekends! Hah!

Smooth is Fast was the motto I was taught back in the day, everything revolved around it and the speed came from following that motto. If you can hold a smooth line around a race course and pick lines out on new tracks quickly you can get out there and race, the biggest thing is to have fun, don't pressure yourself or get disappointed in coming in 2nd to last in your race... YOU are out there, YOU are learning, YOU will go faster with experience.

I went real road racing this year and being on the grid with the likes of the Dunlops, Anstey, Hutchinson, and many more is quite the experience... I didn't come in last but wasn't anywhere even towards middle of the pack... But ya know what? I was having FUN!

For FUN here is a lap of the Ulster GP on board with me in a National race over there, enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz4oqi2dD_Y

Thanks to PainfullySlo for putting this post together, good to see support like this. A lot of the forums don't have as good advice as you guys have given!

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You sir, are my hero. Badass!!

I don't have the cajones to race the manx, TT, or other road races. Tip o' the hat to you!
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Generally speaking, the distributors give you a discount on whatever they carry. The manufacturers obviously give you a discount on the things they make. For instance, I could get my Woodcraft parts from STG and get a great deal but I get a better one by dealing with them directly as I am sponsored by them as well.

As far as percentages, it is whatever they offer/what you can negotiate if you are in a position to do so. I am not contractually obligated to not discuss the discounts that I get however I just feel that it is bad form and so I don't. What I can say is that generally speaking (for me) the discounts are substantial but hey, even if its 10%, isn't that better than 0%? Most of the time the discount will be directly related to how marketable you are to them. Remember this is advertising for them.

I had a company that I had been with for a long time and got a good discount. I helped out a new rider write up a resume (she is female) and she got a better discount than I did even though I had won championships and she had almost no riding experience. The short version is: boobs sell. In a marketing sense, a female racer is worth far more than some over the hill white guy who won a few races.

I swear if I were a woman and could ride like I do I would be running nationals on someone elses dime, full time.



35% is an AMAZING discount for a first year racer. Most of the time I see 15-25% offered.



We need to clarify some things:
There is a MASSIVE difference between MotoAmerica/AMA PRO racing, where people get paid to race, and club level racing where we are all pissing away our kids college funds for a plastic trophy and some bragging rights. I have been to many AMA events and while the people are all friendly, make no mistake they are the COMPETITION and there is no sharing of info, etc.

Now, here is the next big secret: No one is ready to race. No one. Every single person out there feels that they aren't fast enough/good enough/whatever enough to do it. I listen to people talk themselves out of it all the time, and that is fine. To most, they like the idea of racing but aren't really committed to making it happen.

If racing is truly something that you want to do, go and do it. This is why we have novice brackets.

Yes, you will be in the back of the pack. You may even be last. I will tell you with 100% certainty that nothing drives you to learn faster than competition. I would say that 1 race is = 10 track days in terms of what you learn, and why. I did track days for 2 years before I started racing and had plateaued on my lap times. I broke my lap record on my very first race, and took 10 seconds off of it by the end of the weekend.



To each their own I suppose. Once you have the basics down you should be ok to go out and race.
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Not to shatter your dreams or anything but if all you've done was 4 track days and you're still in novice group, you probably shouldn't be thinking about racing at this point. On the other hand, don't gage yourself based on MotoAmerica guys...they're at a whole new level that most of us will never have to worry about because most of them are too good to even want to take part in club racing. But even though technically you could race as an amateur even now, my advice would be to not do it. If you're going to be the slowest guy on the grid by a fair margin it won't be fun for you and it'll frustrate the guys that will be lapping you in the race because you'll be in the way. Racing is only fun if you got other people of similar skill level to race against. If everyone blows you away in the first couple of turns and then you're on your own for the next 5-6 laps until you get lapped by the leaders, what fun is that really?? That's basically like a track day when there's nobody out on track Wait until you can comfortably ride in the advanced group at track day. Even then it's pretty amazing in the difference you'll see. One of the fastest guys at my local track who always sets the fastest times of the day and wins most of our amateur non-sanctioned races went up to Road America with a few of us this year to race with CCS and he got his ass handed to him. He's on a BMW HP4, and that's a big power track and there were amateurs that were slightly faster than him on 600s even! He was like 6-7 seconds a lap slower than the guys winning the amateur races in his class on 1000's!

Now regarding camaraderie...again, don't look at MotoAmerica or other pros. We're talking club racing here. Where most people know they'll never win yet they still do it for the fun. The top experts are really the only ones that are taking it very seriously, but even between them there is great camaraderie. I found people to be even more helpful than at track days because the thought is usually that missing a race for whatever reason is a bigger deal and much more disappointing than missing a track day session, so people are more willing to help each other out as best they can. A great deal of us don't even have sponsors so nobody's pressuring for you to be #1, aside from maybe yourself. YOU will most likely be your biggest enemy/rival. Nobody's really against you until the green flag is up. In the pits it's more of a friends and family feel. You also get to meet more people and make more friends from battling out on track regarding the position you're fighting for. Most people enjoy a good scrap regardless of whether you took them in the last turn on the last lap or whether they beat you. Sure there will be a few exceptions that are taking it way too seriously and they'll be pissed at you because you took that 11th place for them ...but for the most part it's all in good fun. Every time I've had a good on-track battle with someone during a race I always stopped by after the race and chatted with that person and talked about how fun it was, no matter if I won that battle or he did. At track days I rarely do that because it's a track day...I don't get into "on track battles" lol



I agree, however I'll add that most people tend to get faster by actually racing, not just track days. I started racing last year and I was kind of a bottom-end advanced group level or maybe top intermediate level. I had sort of reached a plateau in that I was improving VERY slow with each track day, just fractions of a second at a time, or some days I wouldn't even improve. Then I did a few races and right away I started shaving 1.5-2 seconds off my lap times and continued to improve. Then I got a different bike (my zx6r and cbr500 this year), so I kinda had to start from scratch but this year I've improved every single time I've been on track! And all my best lap times came during races. For example in my last race of the season at my home track, before the race my best time was 1:37.8. During the 8 lap race, I ran like 5-6 laps that were faster than that, with 2 of them being high 1:35s. I think I've yet to run a single lap on that track under 1:38 during a track day session! I don't even think I've ran under 1:39 actually in a track day! lol
It depends on your club too. The AMA is relatively not that fast compared to the international level. My club (the AFM) has racers that are faster than some of the AMA racers. Lolz

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If racing is truly something that you want to do, go and do it. This is why we have novice brackets.

Yes, you will be in the back of the pack. You may even be last. I will tell you with 100% certainty that nothing drives you to learn faster than competition. I would say that 1 race is = 10 track days in terms of what you learn, and why. I did track days for 2 years before I started racing and had plateaued on my lap times. I broke my lap record on my very first race, and took 10 seconds off of it by the end of the weekend.
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As soon as you are competent and comfortable on the track, bug someone who teaches the license school for the racing org or someone who races to let you know if they think you are ready. You don't have to be fast, just in control. You will get better a lot faster racing compared to doing track days.
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Yes, you will be in the back of the pack. You may even be last. I will tell you with 100% certainty that nothing drives you to learn faster than competition. I would say that 1 race is = 10 track days in terms of what you learn, and why. I did track days for 2 years before I started racing and had plateaued on my lap times. I broke my lap record on my very first race, and took 10 seconds off of it by the end of the weekend.
^This right here! I can vouch for that as well!

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It depends on your club too. The AMA is relatively not that fast compared to the international level. My club (the AFM) has racers that are faster than some of the AMA racers. Lolz
Well yeah, every club does from what I've seen but they're all guys that used to race in AMA or MotoAmerica or race just on occasion because they can't afford to do a full season. I mean just by looking at lap times of the bottom 25-35% of the MotoAmerica grids and then compare them to the top experts in CCS, WERA, MRA, etc. you'll see the difference. There quite a few really fast expert club racers out there who simply can't commit to a full season in MotoAmerica due to cost and time. Most have full time jobs. And if you look to see where the top MotoAmerica guys come from, you'll see a mixture of clubs. Quite a few came indeed from AFM, and there are quite a few from WERA and CCS since they're the biggest ones in the country, and you see the occasional ones from CMRA (Texas), CRA (Minnesota), MRA (Colorado), OMRRA (Oregon/Washington).

It's all about money and time. I was told by some guys that have ran or thought about running in MotoAmerica that a full season would cost around $60,000 and that doesn't include travel expenses to go to each track because that depends a lot on where you live.
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Good read guys, great post.

I have been road racing since 1995 and just got thrown into it. Things were a lot different back then for sure, track day, what's that? All we had really were Friday practice before the race weekends! Hah!

Smooth is Fast was the motto I was taught back in the day, everything revolved around it and the speed came from following that motto. If you can hold a smooth line around a race course and pick lines out on new tracks quickly you can get out there and race, the biggest thing is to have fun, don't pressure yourself or get disappointed in coming in 2nd to last in your race... YOU are out there, YOU are learning, YOU will go faster with experience.

I went real road racing this year and being on the grid with the likes of the Dunlops, Anstey, Hutchinson, and many more is quite the experience... I didn't come in last but wasn't anywhere even towards middle of the pack... But ya know what? I was having FUN!

For FUN here is a lap of the Ulster GP on board with me in a National race over there, enjoy:

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That is awesome! Hats off to you sir! My balls aren't anywhere near big enough to be able to do that!

This is an amazing forum. Would've never thought there would be so many badasses but yet nice and very helpful people on a zx6r forum when I first joined! I'm still amazed of the quality of people/riders we have here.
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@PainfullySlo and @sbk1198 thanks guys for the info!

Good to hear that club raving isn't the same as Motoamerica Pro Level.

As far as experience at the track, yea for Motorcycle Xcitement they require you to be bumped all the way up to advanced class before applying for race license/school

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@PainfullySlo ...one more question about sponsorships....is it frowned upon to have 2 sponsors that are competitors even though you like both their products and really believe that both make great quality stuff. A good example would be Vortex and Woodcraft, or companies that make riding gear.
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^This right here! I can vouch for that as well!



Well yeah, every club does from what I've seen but they're all guys that used to race in AMA or MotoAmerica or race just on occasion because they can't afford to do a full season. I mean just by looking at lap times of the bottom 25-35% of the MotoAmerica grids and then compare them to the top experts in CCS, WERA, MRA, etc. you'll see the difference. There quite a few really fast expert club racers out there who simply can't commit to a full season in MotoAmerica due to cost and time. Most have full time jobs. And if you look to see where the top MotoAmerica guys come from, you'll see a mixture of clubs. Quite a few came indeed from AFM, and there are quite a few from WERA and CCS since they're the biggest ones in the country, and you see the occasional ones from CMRA (Texas), CRA (Minnesota), MRA (Colorado), OMRRA (Oregon/Washington).

It's all about money and time. I was told by some guys that have ran or thought about running in MotoAmerica that a full season would cost around $60,000 and that doesn't include travel expenses to go to each track because that depends a lot on where you live.
Exactly this. There are PLENTY of riders that are faster than all but the top MA guys but they simply cannot commit to racing a full season. This is one of the main reasons why I am desperately trying to get to MA at NJMP before I am too old to race. Based off of laptimes I would be somewhere near the front of the middle pack which for a schlep like me is pretty good.

Honestly I just want to see where I stack up against the national talent, get a nice picture to put on my wall so I can sit in my recliner and tell stories about how awesome I was to anyone who is bored enough to listen :-p
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Lol do it. Can't be any worse than AFM's Joy Higa. She races pro in the AMA but usually finishes last place lapped twice by the front pack

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I'll always have video proof that I passed Jake Zemke coming out of a turn, 1-handed while giving him a thumbs-up (the thumbs-up part didn't show on video since it was behind the camera). That will probably be the pinnacle of my performance...ever!

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