I like this a lot, but the price is just a small bit too high. As you already know, I'm in love with the idea of getting levers for my RCS19 from you for three reasons. I'm supporting a rider and zx6r community member, they are fantastic quality and they are under the cost of buying an assembly directly from Brembo. The Brembo RCS19 folding lever full assembly is $180. I would definitely buy them from you rather than Brembo for the $180, but others may take more convincing. If you could get your price down $20, I know I could get others that race CCS midwest to buy them from you, as many of us run the RCS19. It may also be advantageous to look into replacements for the Accasato brake master and the other Brembos (think 19x18). Now, to answer your actual questions:
1. Long, no questions asked.
2. Black/Red/White (My Race Colors
3. Possibly doing something similar to the Brembo "low-drag" lever variant. It has a section machined out of the end of the lever. This looks cool, will probably (albeit only slightly) reduce your costs per lever and it supposedly helps take pressure off the lever when at high speeds. I don't see the last claim being all that useful in general, especially at our level, but the other bits I stand behind.
4. Yes, but it's not a no-brainer yes.
5. As mentioned above, this is a toss-up. As for me, I would because I know you to at least some extent. The problem is that the cost is the same as a lever assembly from Brembo. Even if you use higher quality parts in some areas, you still aren't Brembo and, when the price is equal, many won't take the risk on an unknown product/brand.
6. Took care of most of this above, but I also have some positive comments. I'm really excited about the extra grip area especially for the wet. I wish my brembo branded folding levers had this. I also really appreciate that you're donating to the action fund and would also suggest throwing the red flag fund in the mix. Both are very worthwhile charities to our sport. EDIT::::
Holy hell. I just realized that you said this would be $180 per SET
and not for EACH LEVER
. In that case, holy hell, this is DEFINITELY
a no-brainer yes. Can I get two brake sides in a pack instead of brake and clutch?
Haha, yes, per SET. Thanks for the feedback, I do really appreciate it. I don't see a reason why you couldn't get two brake levers. Basically it really comes down to $90/lever as I will be selling them individually as well. My main competition is ASV/CRG which are about $220/set. I am trying to keep it under theirs by a decent enough margin that people will be willing to take a chance on a lesser known name.
I'm a fan of the adjustable length levers. Just got a pair including the folding feature for my Kawi and have settled on different lengths - shorty on the brake, about mid-range on the clutch. Its probably a factor of pull effort, strength between hands, etc... but its nice to have the adjustability. If all your features would work with that I'd suggest you consider starting there.
I appreciate the feedback. I hadn't really considered going with adjustable levers as I find that the extra moving parts just make me feel like it would be more prone to failure.
Probably untrue but I can't help shake the feeling. Still, I will catalog that away and if I get enough interest in them I am sure that I can put something together.
The levers are sick! Pretty cool, I agree that you gotta find just the right material for the grippy area, don't wanna shorten the life of the fingers on the gloves either! But anyways on a side note, any plans for MSM adding an oil filler plug to the hardware?
Yep, for sure. Spending hours with testing on the right grip level. I am bringing 8 different sets of levers to the track with me in 2 weeks specifically to test them out in racing conditions and find out which I prefer.
I'm 100% on this guy's boat.
Nice !!! I'll buy !! Work on price and you have a buyer .. Maybe 150$$
Noted. I am not sure if I will be able to come in at that price but we will see. I am still waiting on final quotes from the anodizer and laser etching process.
1. Personally I wish someone would make levers that are in between the typical long and short. Basically, I would want something that's just a bit shorter than the stock, just enough to prevent them from braking in a crash, but not as short as the typical shorties. Those seem too awkward for me. Granted, I did just buy a set of shorty CRG levers (used) just to try them out and see if I like them. I haven't put them on yet, but the shorty ASV levers that a buddy of mine has on his CBR just feel way too short for me. I'm not used to clutching with 2 fingers only and you pretty much have to do that with the short levers.
2. I think your color options are great. You can't go wrong with black, so that's always a good place to start. Of course, the color comes from the dye used in the anodize process, so making a bunch of colors should be easy and relatively cheap (depending on demand).
3. If you could include a feature that makes me a couple of seconds faster, that would be great, and I'd even pay more than your price!
....kidding, but I think you got it all covered. If anything, I would probably remove the cutout you have for "aerodynamics" since I would bet on anything that it doesn't make a damn difference, so you might as well save yourself a few bucks in machining.
4. I must be behind on pricing. I thought most brands were around $160-180. I seem to recall getting a set of Pazzo's for my old Ducati for $160 brand new. But that was 4 years ago so maybe prices have gone up. It's been a while since I've checked, since I typically go to ebay and forums and shop for used (but in great shape) parts when it comes to that sort of parts.
5. Going off #4...in this case I would say if I have to buy a new set of levers now, I would go with yours simply for the fact of supporting a fellow member and racer, rather than buying from a completely unknown source. The price would not be a factor since it would be pretty similar to other brands.
6. I'm not sold on the blasted grippier surface on the levers. I've never had a time when my fingers slipped and I thought "Damn, I wish these levers were grippier!" For me, the length, adjustability, and foldability are the biggest things.
Appreciate the feedback. It seems there is another vote for an adjustable lever length although to be honest, the entire point of the folding feature is to allow the use of longer levers while simultaneously reducing the risk of breakage in a crash.
For the colors, they are all easy enough to do. It is more a cash flow decision at this point. This is costing me many thousands of dollars on a hunch that these will sell. I simply cannot afford to anodize a bunch of levers that will sit on the shelf for a year or more. If the first batch flies off of the shelves then I will have a little more freedom to experiment with options.
For your #3, every purchase will come with a free 2.37 second picture analysis by me. Actually, in all seriousness, for almost any rider I can gain them time just by looking at a couple of pictures and a short discussion. Just post up your questions and I will do what I can to help...that is free even if you don't buy my levers =)
Out of curiosity, were your pazzo levers folding? That is where most of the money comes into play. I have done a fair amount of research and 'comparably' setup levers come in at that $220 mark pretty consistently.
I also appreciate the feedback on the grip surface. I think as I move forward with this I will offer it as an option. There HAVE been times where I wish I had more grip on my levers...usually in the wet but the main thing that I am looking for out of these is feedback. When you pull on a lever, your fingers do move around on them a little bit which takes away from your feel. I am actually pretty excited to test this out at the track in a few weeks.