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I need a shorty clutch lever in Orange and have been holding out for these haha. No idea what I'm going to do about the brembo lever yet.
I am also working on adapters for the Brembo lineup =)
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No worries man! If it would be easier to do a black lever with a green adjuster, could you do that once you're good to go?
Absolutely. My initial run is likely to be all black levers since they are the most popular by far. Stay tuned...
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Absolutely. My initial run is likely to be all black levers since they are the most popular by far. Stay tuned...


Just ordered some red with black adjuster levers from you this morning. Everyone has said such nice things about them I finally pulled the trigger. Looking forward to seeing the new stuff too.
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I am also working on adapters for the Brembo lineup =)
Right when I thought all hope was lost for the ole 19 x 18 Brembo MC ! Literally say when and take my money slo! Also, do you have any MSM vinyl stickers I could throw on the fairings? The other stickers have faded on me.
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I like your lever design.
Would it be possible to get 2 brake levers instead of the clutch/brake combo?
I run an RSC shorty clutch lever but i'd like a slightly shorter front brake lever. It would also be nice having a bit of grip on my rear handbrake lever as well since I only operate it with one finger.
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I like your lever design.
Would it be possible to get 2 brake levers instead of the clutch/brake combo?
I run an RSC shorty clutch lever but i'd like a slightly shorter front brake lever. It would also be nice having a bit of grip on my rear handbrake lever as well since I only operate it with one finger.
Of course. I sell my levers individually so it would not be a problem at all to get two brake levers.
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1) I understand why you would start with long levers but I'm definitely in the two finger club and I have been one of those poor souls that have fell victim to the vulnerability of them in a crash.
Aren't there guards for that?

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Aren't there guards for that?
Guards are intended to prevent accidental contact with your levers when you are racing close. They are not designed to prevent damage in a crash, nor do they do a good job of it. Folding levers give you the feel/feedback of long levers (very desirable when track riding) but eliminate the one negative in that longer levers are more vulnerable in a crash. Really the best of both worlds.
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Looking for some feedback on packaging. My premium levers will obviously be more expensive than my regular offerings (I actually have TWO new lever designs coming in the near future ;-).

Anyone who has been involved in manufacturing knows that packaging is really expensive, especially if you want something very nice. Some of the higher end lever companies ship in foam packed boxes with cutouts for the levers, etc. a very nice, polished looking package...that is also upwards of $20 per package.

My philosophy has always been to provide outstanding products at a fair price. If I go the fancy packaging route I would have to add that cost into my final price. The pragmatic in me hates the idea of spending so much money on something that is literally going to be looked at for 5 seconds and then tossed in the trash.

My current packaging looks like this:



They are shipped in bubble wrapped packaging which does an excellent job at keeping the products free of any damage so that they arrive to my customers in perfect condition.

So, while that is efficient, it is hardly going to win any beauty contests.

So, I have a few questions for you:

Would you personally rather receive items in the packaging shown above and save $20-30 on the total cost of the product?

Do you think that using the packaging shown above will hurt my ability to compete with the other higher end lever manufacturers?

I would much rather pass the savings along to you but I need to make sure that it isn't going to hurt me in the long run.

What do you think?
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Looking for some feedback on packaging. My premium levers will obviously be more expensive than my regular offerings (I actually have TWO new lever designs coming in the near future ;-).

Anyone who has been involved in manufacturing knows that packaging is really expensive, especially if you want something very nice. Some of the higher end lever companies ship in foam packed boxes with cutouts for the levers, etc. a very nice, polished looking package...that is also upwards of $20 per package.

My philosophy has always been to provide outstanding products at a fair price. If I go the fancy packaging route I would have to add that cost into my final price. The pragmatic in me hates the idea of spending so much money on something that is literally going to be looked at for 5 seconds and then tossed in the trash.

My current packaging looks like this:



They are shipped in bubble wrapped packaging which does an excellent job at keeping the products free of any damage so that they arrive to my customers in perfect condition.

So, while that is efficient, it is hardly going to win any beauty contests.

So, I have a few questions for you:

Would you personally rather receive items in the packaging shown above and save $20-30 on the total cost of the product?

Do you think that using the packaging shown above will hurt my ability to compete with the other higher end lever manufacturers?

I would much rather pass the savings along to you but I need to make sure that it isn't going to hurt me in the long run.

What do you think?
I would personally rather save $20-30 on the total cost....
I've only purchased your levers and FP Racing levers new and the FPs were more than double the price and just came in a card board box with no labeling whatsoever.....I'm not one who cares for packaging, so I feel that the levers will speak for themselves and the packaging takes a back seat.
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I'd rather save the money as well, but there are plenty of people who care about the type of box stuff comes in which is ridiculous unfortunately. That's a tough call.

You should make "fancy packaging" a 30 dollar option on the website and I bet you get exactly zero orders for it though. Then no one can ever complain about the packaging haha
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I'd rather save the money as well, but there are plenty of people who care about the type of box stuff comes in which is ridiculous unfortunately. That's a tough call.

You should make "fancy packaging" a 30 dollar option on the website and I bet you get exactly zero orders for it though. Then no one can ever complain about the packaging haha
I agree on the cost saving. That would be my vote, but you hear the term 'premium packaging' all the time. The more expensive something is most people want the quality of the 'box' to go up in an equal fashion.

Makes sense for some things such as a nice watch like a speedmaster or something. You get a nice display box, certification card/paperwork, and history documentation of the brand/model, or whatever. As far as levers tho, they're going on the friggin bike, so it shouldn't matter, cuz the packaging is going in the recycling bin in the driveway.

Along with the instructions.


Edit for late thought: I don't know how much you'll be charging for the new stuff, but could be at that point another $20 doesn't fuckin matter, people are either going to buy them or not, and that wouldn't be the deciding factor.

Bask in the POS run on ^... >_<

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So, I have a few questions for you:

Would you personally rather receive items in the packaging shown above and save $20-30 on the total cost of the product?

Do you think that using the packaging shown above will hurt my ability to compete with the other higher end lever manufacturers?

I would much rather pass the savings along to you but I need to make sure that it isn't going to hurt me in the long run.

What do you think?
My vote is keep the same (or similar) packaging and save that money. I could care less about the packaging, because regardless of what it is, it will go straight in the trash so it's a waste of money.

IMO, there is a time and place for fancy packaging, but bike levers is not one of them. Now if I was ordering some nice aftermarket forks or a shock, or an electronic device, then yes I'd want better packaging to reduce change of damage. I certainly wouldn't want to get Ohlins forks or an AIM data logger in a plastic bag...but with levers, I don't see the problem. Anything more than what you have is flash and just overkill.
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So, I have a few questions for you:

Would you personally rather receive items in the packaging shown above and save $20-30 on the total cost of the product?

Do you think that using the packaging shown above will hurt my ability to compete with the other higher end lever manufacturers?

I would much rather pass the savings along to you but I need to make sure that it isn't going to hurt me in the long run.

What do you think?
I agree with what most people are saying, I would rather save the 20 or 30 bucks.

As far as hurting you? I personally have never heard someone tell me not to buy something because the box it came in looked bad. If the packaging for it being shipped is garbage, then yes. But for the actual packagaing of the item, no.

Like you said yourself, boxes get looked at for 10 seconds while I rip it open to play with whatever i just bought.

With all that said, Ive been stalking this thread since it started just waiting for these to come out!
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I agree with what most people are saying, I would rather save the 20 or 30 bucks.

As far as hurting you? I personally have never heard someone tell me not to buy something because the box it came in looked bad. If the packaging for it being shipped is garbage, then yes. But for the actual packagaing of the item, no.

Like you said yourself, boxes get looked at for 10 seconds while I rip it open to play with whatever i just bought.

With all that said, Ive been stalking this thread since it started just waiting for these to come out!
Thank you all very much for the feedback! I truly appreciate it.

It is not so much that I think people will actively say 'don't buy that because it has cheap packaging', more that I worry that the overall impression of my products will be viewed as cheap or inferior because it doesn't come in a $30 box. Make sense?
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