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Mad Scientist Moto - prototype for new levers and looking for feedback

Hey all! I am nearing the final stages of my production on my premium levers and would love it if you folks could provide some feedback.

Here is what we are looking at so far. Please remember this is a prototype so it will be a little rough around the edges. Questions at the end...












Keep in mind that the grip area is only silver right now because I am still messing around with finding the right texture. It needs to be grippy but not so much that you cant move your hand freely. It will eventually be anodized the same color as the lever. This is a crappy photoshop rendition of what it will look like, but probably it wont stand out as much as the photoshop version does.



My goal for this project is to make an absolute top-notch product that will surpass ASV, CRG, Pazzo, etc in quality and features and offer it at a more competitive price. Basically, if people are in the market for those levers, I want mine to be the "no brainer" choice.

Features:
  • Folding lever - for crash protection plus cool factor
  • Delrin detent - One of the drawbacks of other folding levers is that when you fold them the detent ball scratches the lever surface where it rides. After playing with it a few times there is noticable wear which is visible from the top of the lever. By using Delrin it will make for smoother operation and also not ruin the finish. Also messing with teflon coating.
  • Brass pivot bushing - There is a brass bushing in the folding mechanism to make it a better fit, easier to use, and corrosion resistant.
  • Titanium Hardware - All of the nuts/bolts/screws on these are made from Gr5 titanium. It makes the lever lighter, practically immune to corrosion, and has a high bling value.
  • Aerodynamic - The lever itself has been radiused to allow for better airflow and there is a cut in the end of the lever to allow air to pass through.
  • Textured Grip - The area where your fingers go is textured to improve grip, especially in wet conditions. No more sliding fingers. Again, it bears noting that it will be anodized to match the lever color.
  • Hard Anodizing - The toughest finish plus it will look fantastic. Makes it incredibly durable.
  • Laser Etched Logo - The "MSM" logo will be white and much easier to read than what is shown on the prototype.
  • Warranty - "unbreakable" warranty. I will repair or replace any lever which is non-functional. One time per original owner per lever.
  • Replaceable Parts - In the case of cosmetic replacement, the lever is repairable by replacing only the damaged part which would be a lot cheaper than replacing the entire lever.
  • Premium packaging - They will come in a recycled plastic container. Below is a picture of the rough draft..below that is what I am looking at for a final version of it.
  • Price - A set of ASV/CRG all run in the $200-$220 range. I am looking at coming in around $175-$180.
  • Charity - A portion of profits will be donated to a motorcycle specific charity annually. I am thinking the RRW Air Fence Action Fund but that only benefits racers/track riders. I am on the hunt for a more universally beneficial charity.
  • Remote Adjuster - future development for a remote adjuster optional accessory for the brake lever on the Brembo RCS model.


Prototype for the packaging.


This is what I am looking at going with for production. I will of course add the updated features to the list - folding, titanium hardware, etc.


Some things to note:
The MSM logo on the curve of the lever will be larger, easier to read, and more precise. This was a quick etch job thrown in for the prototype to see if I liked the positioning. It works out well because you can still see my logo even when your hand is covering the lever.

Again, the grip area will be anodized to match the lever color.

Now, the questions that I have for you all:
  1. Long or Short lever? - Right now I can only afford to make one of these. I am leaning towards the long lever since they offer better feel and feedback. The main drawback of longer levers is they are vulnerable in a crash which the folding aspect negates. My concern is that generally speaking, people want the 'cool' factor of having shorties. Which would you prefer?
  2. Color? - Right now, my plan is to make only black levers with the adjusters able to be colored just like all of my other levers (Black, Blue, Gold, Green, Silver, Orange, Red). Would the lack of color options on the lever deter you from buying? FYI 72% of all my current lever sales are black levers.
  3. Missing features? - Is there anything that you would like to see included in the design?
  4. Given the list of features and the product in general, would you buy these at $180?
  5. Would you choose these levers over any other brand? Why? Why not?
  6. General comments? - ANY feedback is welcome, both positive and negative.

I realize this is a lot of writing and that I am asking a lot of you all. If you have the time to work through this I would greatly appreciate it.
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  1. Long or Short lever? - Right now I can only afford to make one of these. I am leaning towards the long lever since they offer better feel and feedback. The main drawback of longer levers is they are vulnerable in a crash which the folding aspect negates. My concern is that generally speaking, people want the 'cool' factor of having shorties. Which would you prefer?
  2. Color? - Right now, my plan is to make only black levers with the adjusters able to be colored just like all of my other levers (Black, Blue, Gold, Green, Silver, Orange, Red). Would the lack of color options on the lever deter you from buying? FYI 72% of all my current lever sales are black levers.
  3. Missing features? - Is there anything that you would like to see included in the design?
  4. Given the list of features and the product in general, would you buy these at $180?
  5. Would you choose these levers over any other brand? Why? Why not?
  6. General comments? - ANY feedback is welcome, both positive and negative.

I realize this is a lot of writing and that I am asking a lot of you all. If you have the time to work through this I would greatly appreciate it.
1) I understand why you would start with long levers but I'm definitely in the two finger club and I have been one of those poor souls that have fell victim to the vulnerability of them in a crash. That being said the fact you are offering repair parts I would still probably pick up a long pair.

2) Color. I was going to ask about that. I know we are Kawi owners but I really do try to stay away from the Monster Green hardware. Color wouldn't deter me but it is nice to have options. typically I go for murder black and if there are color accents I go for red. Just me though. I wouldn't let color stop a quality product from being purchased. I think youre on the right track as far as the black with color accents.

3) I'm sure this isn't an issue in the slightest but is there any kind of compatibility issues with say Woodcraft Hand Guards? Also I would be weary, which you stated you are, about making that grip area too abrasive or catchy. I like the idea of non slip for rain etc but not to the point where I feel like Im gripping a hand full of non-skid.

4) I personally think 180 is fine as long as there is a X day return policy on them with out a restocking fee at least until you have a good amount of rider reviews. You would have to work out the conditions of it as far as install etc etc. Cant be too forgiving or too harsh with those kind of things.

5) Rather new to the forum here but been riding for years now. From what I have seen I trust your brand and would gladly buy from you. Seems like you make products for riders as a rider yourself. Very "Woodcraftish" haha. When I buy stuff I tend to read a ton of reviews which leads to the other brands you listed. Honestly just from reading the features section had me sold on these.

6) I think when you go to start selling these that a detailed video of the product would do wonders. Really sit down and go through the product and all the features. Get it circulated and out there and hopefully it catches.

One other concern would be the grip area. What is it made of? How is it attached to the lever? Adhesive? How long before it peels off if it even does? That would also be an area of concern or needed knowledge before making the purchase. Hope that helps. Just my 2 cents. Worth about 1.

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1. I prefer my front brake to be shorter, i just like it. deters me from grabbing at it. Personal pref of course.

Id take a clutch like this though, if theres no shorty option anyway

2. I dont mind black levers, one of the reasons i was going to buy a pair though was to get them in red. That aside, black with orange or red adjusters wouldnt be to bad. Perhaps id grab a pair after they come in red.

3. more then id ever need, maybe some neon so rivers can be happy though.

4. i dont need half the features, but id buy a pair at 180. You seem like a good guy, and why not support you if all else is similar in peice for similar loot.

5. see 4.

6. i like em, but would they ever come in a "mixed" option? if you only produce these in long (if thats what ends up happening) would there ever be a MSM mixed pack? that way i can get this for my clutch side and a smooth for braking? (also for the shorty).

All in all it seems like a great product, i think id like to see atleast the folding options on your stock levers though as i dont really need these. Id buy them for shits and giggles though, or for a track bike if ever i can find the time, pretty slammed atm.
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Whichever length I run (short or long) I would include the other size in the next run, depending on sales.

The plan would be to ultimately have the same length and color options that I have in my regular levers. It is simply because this is a new product that I am unable to do it all at once as my budget simply doesn't allow for that.
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completely understandable, and thats what i figured. id probably buy a pair for funsies though to be honest
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Long is ideal. They're more versatile, and if you're only doing 1-2 finger operation, you can do it on the long ones fine.

The color choices seem reasonable.

I would say that I'd still go for the base levers, personally. I don't need the folding feature or the texture, so the cheaper ones do the job well for me, and if I'd need to replace them three times before the folding part started saving me any money.

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Long or Short lever? - Long

Color? -Black

Missing features? -They look amazing. Features and the thought that has gone into them is top notch.

Given the list of features and the product in general, would you buy these at $180?
Absolutely, i would love to rock them in Canada for you. But i would need them for a CBR600 as well I will post them up in all the groups i am a member of up north.

Would you choose these levers over any other brand? Yes,support a racer, cost effective and great design

General comments? - Would you be able to buy crash parts for them or would you have to get a whole assembly?
I am not sure about the textured part. I haven't seen that before. Could be good, could be not so good. Perhaps a standard version may be an option? My hands sweat like crazy, i go through gloves at least once a year and adding more friction may increase the intervals i would have to change. But who knows.
Compatible with brembo MC i am guessing as well?
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1. For me I like a long clutch and a short brake but if I cant have it that way then long for me.

2. Black levers with adjusters to be different colors.
Black with green adjuster looks awesome.

3. Nothing missing to me love the grippy part but not a deal breaker if you choose not tp go that route. Just make sure to keep the folding levers.

4. $180 is perfect price for both folding levers. I would buy them.

5. I like to buy things from the little guy to help out his or her business. Small business to me go out of there way to make sure you are happy.

6. Love everything about them. Sign me up. I want a pair. Here take my money. What other cool stuff you got coming down the pipeline for us?
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1) I understand why you would start with long levers but I'm definitely in the two finger club and I have been one of those poor souls that have fell victim to the vulnerability of them in a crash. That being said the fact you are offering repair parts I would still probably pick up a long pair.

2) Color. I was going to ask about that. I know we are Kawi owners but I really do try to stay away from the Monster Green hardware. Color wouldn't deter me but it is nice to have options. typically I go for murder black and if there are color accents I go for red. Just me though. I wouldn't let color stop a quality product from being purchased. I think youre on the right track as far as the black with color accents.

3) I'm sure this isn't an issue in the slightest but is there any kind of compatibility issues with say Woodcraft Hand Guards? Also I would be weary, which you stated you are, about making that grip area too abrasive or catchy. I like the idea of non slip for rain etc but not to the point where I feel like Im gripping a hand full of non-skid.

4) I personally think 180 is fine as long as there is a X day return policy on them with out a restocking fee at least until you have a good amount of rider reviews. You would have to work out the conditions of it as far as install etc etc. Cant be too forgiving or too harsh with those kind of things.

5) Rather new to the forum here but been riding for years now. From what I have seen I trust your brand and would gladly buy from you. Seems like you make products for riders as a rider yourself. Very "Woodcraftish" haha. When I buy stuff I tend to read a ton of reviews which leads to the other brands you listed. Honestly just from reading the features section had me sold on these.

6) I think when you go to start selling these that a detailed video of the product would do wonders. Really sit down and go through the product and all the features. Get it circulated and out there and hopefully it catches.

One other concern would be the grip area. What is it made of? How is it attached to the lever? Adhesive? How long before it peels off if it even does? That would also be an area of concern or needed knowledge before making the purchase. Hope that helps. Just my 2 cents. Worth about 1.

Cheers!
No issues with Woodcraft lever guards. I am actually running these right now with them and no problems.

See below for discussion on the texture of the grip area. I will be finding a delicate balance of grip vs being able to move your hands. Think techspec not stompgrip =)

I will ALWAYS "do the right thing" when it comes to my customers which includes things like a return policy, replacement parts, warranty, etc. My business plan is pretty simple: "Treat people like they are your best friend and they will come back"

Fantastic idea on the review video. I will be doing something like that for sure and I will also be trying to get reviews on webbikeworld, etc. IF this pans out, I would love to get Brian at STG to carry them and do a review. He has been a huge supporter of mine throughout my entire racing career so I would hope that he may be interested in these as a product.

The grip area is actually textured metal and not any kind of stick on adhesive. The lever itself is textured and then anodized. This makes sure that there are not any issues with peeling, etc.

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Long is ideal. They're more versatile, and if you're only doing 1-2 finger operation, you can do it on the long ones fine.

The color choices seem reasonable.

I would say that I'd still go for the base levers, personally. I don't need the folding feature or the texture, so the cheaper ones do the job well for me, and if I'd need to replace them three times before the folding part started saving me any money.

YMMV
Just to be clear, these will be in addition to my current levers that I am selling, not as a replacement.

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Long or Short lever? - Long

Color? -Black

Missing features? -They look amazing. Features and the thought that has gone into them is top notch.

Given the list of features and the product in general, would you buy these at $180?
Absolutely, i would love to rock them in Canada for you. But i would need them for a CBR600 as well I will post them up in all the groups i am a member of up north.

Would you choose these levers over any other brand? Yes,support a racer, cost effective and great design

General comments? - Would you be able to buy crash parts for them or would you have to get a whole assembly?
I am not sure about the textured part. I haven't seen that before. Could be good, could be not so good. Perhaps a standard version may be an option? My hands sweat like crazy, i go through gloves at least once a year and adding more friction may increase the intervals i would have to change. But who knows.
Compatible with brembo MC i am guessing as well?
Crash parts will be available for sure and I will have them for pretty much all modern sportbikes so the CBR would not be an issue.

The texture part is absolutely new and it is something that I am still playing with. It will be subtle and not aggressive. I am spending quite a bit of time trying to find just the right level of grip with them.

I can absolutely offer them as with or without that grip area though. Maybe I will offer it as an option and see what people prefer...

I can have these fit any of the newer RCS style Brembo masters but not the older ones.



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1. For me I like a long clutch and a short brake but if I cant have it that way then long for me.

2. Black levers with adjusters to be different colors.
Black with green adjuster looks awesome.

3. Nothing missing to me love the grippy part but not a deal breaker if you choose not tp go that route. Just make sure to keep the folding levers.

4. $180 is perfect price for both folding levers. I would buy them.

5. I like to buy things from the little guy to help out his or her business. Small business to me go out of there way to make sure you are happy.

6. Love everything about them. Sign me up. I want a pair. Here take my money. What other cool stuff you got coming down the pipeline for us?
Haha, I really appreciate your enthusiasm! All my cool stuff is on my website Mad Scientist Moto | Performance Parts, Accessories, and Innovations for street and track

I think the coolest thing that I have right now is my Gyrocam but the titanium stuff still gets me hot and bothered :-p

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I like this a lot, but the price is just a small bit too high. As you already know, I'm in love with the idea of getting levers for my RCS19 from you for three reasons. I'm supporting a rider and zx6r community member, they are fantastic quality and they are under the cost of buying an assembly directly from Brembo. The Brembo RCS19 folding lever full assembly is $180. I would definitely buy them from you rather than Brembo for the $180, but others may take more convincing. If you could get your price down $20, I know I could get others that race CCS midwest to buy them from you, as many of us run the RCS19. It may also be advantageous to look into replacements for the Accasato brake master and the other Brembos (think 19x18). Now, to answer your actual questions:

1. Long, no questions asked.

2. Black/Red/White (My Race Colors )

3. Possibly doing something similar to the Brembo "low-drag" lever variant. It has a section machined out of the end of the lever. This looks cool, will probably (albeit only slightly) reduce your costs per lever and it supposedly helps take pressure off the lever when at high speeds. I don't see the last claim being all that useful in general, especially at our level, but the other bits I stand behind.

4. Yes, but it's not a no-brainer yes.

5. As mentioned above, this is a toss-up. As for me, I would because I know you to at least some extent. The problem is that the cost is the same as a lever assembly from Brembo. Even if you use higher quality parts in some areas, you still aren't Brembo and, when the price is equal, many won't take the risk on an unknown product/brand.

6. Took care of most of this above, but I also have some positive comments. I'm really excited about the extra grip area especially for the wet. I wish my brembo branded folding levers had this. I also really appreciate that you're donating to the action fund and would also suggest throwing the red flag fund in the mix. Both are very worthwhile charities to our sport.


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Holy hell. I just realized that you said this would be $180 per SET and not for EACH LEVER. In that case, holy hell, this is DEFINITELY a no-brainer yes. Can I get two brake sides in a pack instead of brake and clutch?

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Hey all! I am nearing the final stages of my production on my premium levers and would love it if you folks could provide some feedback.

Here is what we are looking at so far. Please remember this is a prototype so it will be a little rough around the edges. Questions at the end...












Keep in mind that the grip area is only silver right now because I am still messing around with finding the right texture. It needs to be grippy but not so much that you cant move your hand freely. It will eventually be anodized the same color as the lever. This is a crappy photoshop rendition of what it will look like, but probably it wont stand out as much as the photoshop version does.



My goal for this project is to make an absolute top-notch product that will surpass ASV, CRG, Pazzo, etc in quality and features and offer it at a more competitive price. Basically, if people are in the market for those levers, I want mine to be the "no brainer" choice.

Features:
  • Folding lever - for crash protection plus cool factor
  • Delrin detent - One of the drawbacks of other folding levers is that when you fold them the detent ball scratches the lever surface where it rides. After playing with it a few times there is noticable wear which is visible from the top of the lever. By using Delrin it will make for smoother operation and also not ruin the finish. Also messing with teflon coating.
  • Brass pivot bushing - There is a brass bushing in the folding mechanism to make it a better fit, easier to use, and corrosion resistant.
  • Titanium Hardware - All of the nuts/bolts/screws on these are made from Gr5 titanium. It makes the lever lighter, practically immune to corrosion, and has a high bling value.
  • Aerodynamic - The lever itself has been radiused to allow for better airflow and there is a cut in the end of the lever to allow air to pass through.
  • Textured Grip - The area where your fingers go is textured to improve grip, especially in wet conditions. No more sliding fingers. Again, it bears noting that it will be anodized to match the lever color.
  • Hard Anodizing - The toughest finish plus it will look fantastic. Makes it incredibly durable.
  • Laser Etched Logo - The "MSM" logo will be white and much easier to read than what is shown on the prototype.
  • Warranty - "unbreakable" warranty. I will repair or replace any lever which is non-functional. One time per original owner per lever.
  • Replaceable Parts - In the case of cosmetic replacement, the lever is repairable by replacing only the damaged part which would be a lot cheaper than replacing the entire lever.
  • Premium packaging - They will come in a recycled plastic container. Below is a picture of the rough draft..below that is what I am looking at for a final version of it.
  • Price - A set of ASV/CRG all run in the $200-$220 range. I am looking at coming in around $175-$180.
  • Charity - A portion of profits will be donated to a motorcycle specific charity annually. I am thinking the RRW Air Fence Action Fund but that only benefits racers/track riders. I am on the hunt for a more universally beneficial charity.
  • Remote Adjuster - future development for a remote adjuster optional accessory for the brake lever on the Brembo RCS model.


Prototype for the packaging.


This is what I am looking at going with for production. I will of course add the updated features to the list - folding, titanium hardware, etc.


Some things to note:
The MSM logo on the curve of the lever will be larger, easier to read, and more precise. This was a quick etch job thrown in for the prototype to see if I liked the positioning. It works out well because you can still see my logo even when your hand is covering the lever.

Again, the grip area will be anodized to match the lever color.

Now, the questions that I have for you all:
  1. Long or Short lever? - Right now I can only afford to make one of these. I am leaning towards the long lever since they offer better feel and feedback. The main drawback of longer levers is they are vulnerable in a crash which the folding aspect negates. My concern is that generally speaking, people want the 'cool' factor of having shorties. Which would you prefer?
  2. Color? - Right now, my plan is to make only black levers with the adjusters able to be colored just like all of my other levers (Black, Blue, Gold, Green, Silver, Orange, Red). Would the lack of color options on the lever deter you from buying? FYI 72% of all my current lever sales are black levers.
  3. Missing features? - Is there anything that you would like to see included in the design?
  4. Given the list of features and the product in general, would you buy these at $180?
  5. Would you choose these levers over any other brand? Why? Why not?
  6. General comments? - ANY feedback is welcome, both positive and negative.

I realize this is a lot of writing and that I am asking a lot of you all. If you have the time to work through this I would greatly appreciate it.
I'm a fan of the adjustable length levers. Just got a pair including the folding feature for my Kawi and have settled on different lengths - shorty on the brake, about mid-range on the clutch. Its probably a factor of pull effort, strength between hands, etc... but its nice to have the adjustability. If all your features would work with that I'd suggest you consider starting there.

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The levers are sick! Pretty cool, I agree that you gotta find just the right material for the grippy area, don't wanna shorten the life of the fingers on the gloves either! But anyways on a side note, any plans for MSM adding an oil filler plug to the hardware?
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I like this a lot, but the price is just a small bit too high. As you already know, I'm in love with the idea of getting levers for my RCS19 from you for three reasons. I'm supporting a rider and zx6r community member, they are fantastic quality and they are under the cost of buying an assembly directly from Brembo. The Brembo RCS19 folding lever full assembly is $180. I would definitely buy them from you rather than Brembo for the $180, but others may take more convincing. If you could get your price down $20, I know I could get others that race CCS midwest to buy them from you, as many of us run the RCS19. It may also be advantageous to look into replacements for the Accasato brake master and the other Brembos (think 19x18). Now, to answer your actual questions:

1. Long, no questions asked.

2. Black/Red/White (My Race Colors )

3. Possibly doing something similar to the Brembo "low-drag" lever variant. It has a section machined out of the end of the lever. This looks cool, will probably (albeit only slightly) reduce your costs per lever and it supposedly helps take pressure off the lever when at high speeds. I don't see the last claim being all that useful in general, especially at our level, but the other bits I stand behind.

4. Yes, but it's not a no-brainer yes.

5. As mentioned above, this is a toss-up. As for me, I would because I know you to at least some extent. The problem is that the cost is the same as a lever assembly from Brembo. Even if you use higher quality parts in some areas, you still aren't Brembo and, when the price is equal, many won't take the risk on an unknown product/brand.

6. Took care of most of this above, but I also have some positive comments. I'm really excited about the extra grip area especially for the wet. I wish my brembo branded folding levers had this. I also really appreciate that you're donating to the action fund and would also suggest throwing the red flag fund in the mix. Both are very worthwhile charities to our sport.


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Holy hell. I just realized that you said this would be $180 per SET and not for EACH LEVER. In that case, holy hell, this is DEFINITELY a no-brainer yes. Can I get two brake sides in a pack instead of brake and clutch?
I'm 100% on this guy's boat.
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I will ALWAYS "do the right thing" when it comes to my customers which includes things like a return policy, replacement parts, warranty, etc. My business plan is pretty simple: "Treat people like they are your best friend and they will come back"

Fantastic idea on the review video. I will be doing something like that for sure and I will also be trying to get reviews on webbikeworld, etc. IF this pans out, I would love to get Brian at STG to carry them and do a review. He has been a huge supporter of mine throughout my entire racing career so I would hope that he may be interested in these as a product.
I always watch for STG reviews! And you pretty much just sold as far as your business model so with that being said

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