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post #16 of 115 Old 06-10-2016, 04:42 AM
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I feel like I have good body position but like everything else, there is usually room for improvement. I usually run between 70-90 laps (150-200 miles) in a track day and I can start to feel where I am making mistakes in my body position. It's nice to use it as a marker. If anything gets sore early on, that becomes my next focus.

I don't entirely agree that body positioning should be the last thing taught. While there are certain aspects that may not be important until your pace picks up, there are some basic fundamentals of being comfortable/relaxed and placement on your bike that should be mentioned.

I think that goes for all the fundamentals. Having a basic knowledge of each is key. They should then all be progressed together, not all at once of course. I'd think it would be hard to master one fundamental without having the others at a certain level.

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PainfullySlo I appreciate taking the time to give some useful input.

Do have a question, I can look at my pictures and tell what I need to do. BUT doing it the way I KNOW it needs to be done is easier said then done.

Any suggestions on HOW to put into practice what needs to be done.

OR how do you tweak a bad habit.
Breaking a bad track habit is the same as breaking any bad habit but it reminds me of one of my favorite sayings. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

The process is pretty simple on paper, a lot harder to actually do.

1) learn the correct way to do whatever it is that you need to fix
2) do it the correct way
3) repeat ad nauseum until it becomes muscle memory and you do not have to think about it, your body just does it the right way.

You will need to focus almost exclusively on whatever it is that you want to fix. For racers, you will be slower while you sort this out. It is something that we have to suck up and deal with to be able to progress. I myself am in this exact situation. I have some issues that I need to address and I am certain that my next race laps will be abysmal while I work on fixing my issues.
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Just put this up in the other thread but figured I'd add this here as that "exception to the rule" you mention....

Sometimes it's just a person's riding style but they're still fast. We have a control rider that's a little older than me... probably pushing close to 50. He rides a ZX10 and if you were to look at his body position there'd probably be things to critique.... until he goes past you drifting both wheels as one of our most experienced and fastest coaches.

Look at Kevin Schwantz... 500cc Grand Prix World Champion and had some of the worst BP in history if we were to really dig into it. Seriously.... we would call this dude a total noob if we saw this up on a canyon road.
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Breaking a bad track habit is the same as breaking any bad habit but it reminds me of one of my favorite sayings. Practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect.

The process is pretty simple on paper, a lot harder to actually do.

1) learn the correct way to do whatever it is that you need to fix
2) do it the correct way
3) repeat ad nauseum until it becomes muscle memory and you do not have to think about it, your body just does it the right way.

You will need to focus almost exclusively on whatever it is that you want to fix. For racers, you will be slower while you sort this out. It is something that we have to suck up and deal with to be able to progress. I myself am in this exact situation. I have some issues that I need to address and I am certain that my next race laps will be abysmal while I work on fixing my issues.

Thanks, and I've been doing just that.

Was hoping of a more zen answer to leapfrog this SLOW progress.

Guess there isn't a fast resolution to fixing many years of bad habits.
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Funny this came up.....I was thinking something similar whilst watching the tt....noticed the riders do often ride crossed up (usually a term for poor form)....guessing it's down mainly to give their head clearance so as to not head but someone's house at 180mph lol.....anyone else noticed how much difference there is in tt/road racers to track racers in terms of body position?
There are many pro riders that will be crossed up depending on what they are doing/about to be doing. If I am coming out of a turn where there is only a short straight to the next turn on the same side (left turn leading into another left turn), I often only pull my head back behind the windscreen and leave my body off to the side of the bike. Conservation of energy is key. Keep in mind that proper body position is mostly relevant in the main parts of a turn. Once the bike is back up on the meat of the tires, it becomes less critical and we have some leeway with what we do with our bodies.

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I have heard that the bike you ride will react better to different weight distribution and body position. The older riders have similar positions just like the newer style riders are all the same.
Just like Rossi has had to evolve his body position over the years based on what the progression of the bikes is.
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Here is something to consider: MotoGP lap times are only marginally faster than the previous years which can easily be attributed to improvements in the machine. There is absolutely no evidence that I can see to prove that the 'elbow down' riding style makes you any faster. This is only my opinion (because I am certainly nowhere near the riding skill of those people) but I believe that it is done for showmanship and popularity.

When Marquez first hit the scene with that riding style, everyone else in the paddock was still riding 'conventionally'. Many of the riders adopted this new style but their lap times did not change.

Another point to possibly prove my theory is that there are many riders that still do not use the elbow down method, and are at the same lap times they have always been at.

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While riding at slower speeds (though the speeds increase as I get more comfortable and introduce less bar input), I take turns with only my right hand on the bar -- this forces me to keep my bar input to an absolute minimum because any weight you put on the bar creates very noticeable effects (because you can't offset the pressure with the other hand). It also feels much less stable when pressure is maintained on the bar after making the initial steering input -- something just feels wrong, whereas this is much less noticeable with both hands on the bars. The solution (I've found), is to shift your body to the inside of the turn so that the weight is balanced -- then, if it weren't for needing to keep on the throttle, you could take both hands off the bars and be just fine.

Obviously, if people are going to do this, make sure your turn is clear of everything...
This is an excellent exercise to practice and fantastic advice. We often have our students take their left hands off the bars during instruction. It forces them to make sure that they are supporting all of their weight with their lower body.

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I dunno....I just throttle up during the turn and as I pick up speed and the bike wants to stand up, I hang off of it more and try to pull it down. Its an ongoing battle
You should be VERY careful with 'pulling the bike down' while accelerating as this is the #1 reason why riders highside on corner exit. If your bike runs wide, that is a suspension tuning/geometry issue. The only bar input in a turn should be when initiating the turn. After that it is strictly 'thumb and forefinger' bar pressure just to keep the bike carving. It is very minimal.
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Good write-up as usual PSlo! I have a couple of questions that maybe you can elaborate on or help with:

1. First off, are you saying that if I can't do 20 laps without feeling like I'm going to pass out, I have terrible BP? I'll be honest, I've never been able to do that. Best I've ever done, at any track was 15 laps and it was in my first race ever, and I'm guessing the adrenaline is the only thing that got me through it because I felt like I was beat up after those 15 laps, and I haven't done it since then lol. But I always attributed that with being an out-of-shape fatass, not so much that I have terrible BP.

2. I can say with confidence that my biggest struggle is and has always been putting too much pressure on the handle bars. I know that because not only that I just feel it when riding, but also because my hands/wrists are what fatigue the fastest. I've had to come into the pits a few laps sooner than I planned at times only because my right hand was so numb that I could barely feel feedback from the brake lever and throttle, and I was starting to make mistakes.

But the question is, HOW do I fix that? I know the problem, and I know what you're supposed to do (pretty much what you stated above), but I seem to have a big problem with actually doing it. It's sort of like with golf...I know exactly what I need to do to hit a good shot, but I can only do it about 1/5 times. So do you have any tips on how to actually fix that? Also, once you start turning into a corner, when you obviously need to apply some pressure in order to turn the bike, do you just back off that pressure and only use the minimum amount required to keep the bike leaned over? Thing of a longer corner, like a carousel type where you're at full lean for a good 5+ seconds. Can you elaborate in more detail on how you distribute your weight in longer turns like that? I think part of my problem might be that I'm not anchoring myself well onto the bike, so in longer turns at full lean it feels like I'm about to fall off the bike and I use my inside hand to hold myself on, which is less than ideal. Sometimes I wonder how I don't crash with as much pressure I put on the inside handle bar....must be because modern day front race tires are just freakin awesome!

EDIT: also to add to the above, what about bar input under WOT on straights? Am I the only one that feels like I'm doing pull-ups when going full stick on the straights? I feel like i'm holding on for dear life or else I fly off the back of the bike, and that's while at full tuck. It was especially bad with my liter bike, but even on the ZX6R is pretty close to that. Don't know exact numbers, but figure these bikes can pull at least 0.5 G on acceleration if you do it right (in the power band). So holding on the bars at that is like holding half your weight in your hands. So at 220 lbs, the hands are holding a force of about 110 lbs, or 55 lbs each hand. So basically on every straightaway, it's like holding a 5 gal bucket full of water in each hand for about 10-15 seconds or however long it takes to travel the length of the straightaway. Then on the brakes, the G-force is even higher since the brakes are more powerful, so now it's like bench-pressing 100-150 lbs and holding it there for a few seconds (duration of braking zone). Granted, you use the tank to distribute that force a lot more so only a part of that is actually on the hands, but still adds up.
My response was a bit tongue-and-cheek but there is absolutely a grain of truth to it. Of course it assumes some basic level of fitness. If you get winded walking up stairs I expect that you would be winded when riding. When you can relax on the bike and not be wound up like a spring the entire time, everything becomes a LOT easier. This is something I am personally struggling with as well and will be the focus of my next 5 days on the track.

Also, a bit of a tangent but when it comes to endurance riding, what you eat/drink before and supplements are pretty key. I have high protein breakfast with some carbs for long term fuel. About an hour before I ride I have a protein bar with water. 15 minutes before I ride I drink my pre-workout, and as soon as I am off I drink my post workout (BCAA's, etc). It makes a HUGE difference.

As to how to fix your issue: From what you have said I believe you are already on the right track; you know that you are not anchored onto the bike properly. Your body on the bike is a tripod. You require at least 3 distinct points to be stable; both legs and your butt with your legs doing the bulk of the weight carrying and your butt doing the stabilization.

Some things to look at:

1) Is your inside knee as far out as possible? The further out you can make it, the more stable you become. It is alright to bear weight on this leg, although it is preferable to bear the majority of it with your outside leg. On longer endurance races I will actually alternate which leg bears my weight turn by turn in an effort to give my legs a chance to rest. As a test to this, one of the things that we do with students is to have them stand normally and then I shove them sideways. Invariably they stumble. Now take your outside leg and point your foot sideways and bend your knee. When I shove them, they barely move. #becausephysics

2) is your outside leg locked into the tank? Your funmarbles need to be at least a fists distance off of the tank for this to happen and your hips must be perpendicular to the bike. The contact point should be approximately half way down your inner thigh.

Using your foot/calf muscles, raise up on the peg. Think of it like standing on your tip-toes. This should drive your leg further into the tank. When done properly, you should be able to hold ALL of your weight quite easily using just that outside leg, and the only real muscle strain is on your calf to keep your leg into the tank.

Once you verify those two things are happening, then you need to go out and practice it. Over and over, to the exclusion of all else, including lap times. You will go slower but it is necessary to condition yourself to ride properly and ultimately you will be faster for it.

There is no difference in my body position whether it is a quick snap turn or a long sweeper, the only difference is how quickly I tip in.

As to your bar input on the straights question: The point of being light on the bars during a turn is to make sure that you have the most traction available to successfully navigate the turn. When you are straight up and down, we do not really need that traction for anything other than going in a straight line. You could jump up and down on the bars and it wouldn't make much of a difference...we are not demanding anything of the front tire at that time.

Now, with that said, I do not experience the same issue you are having. When under hard acceleration I do need to hold on a bit, but nowhere near like what you are describing. What is the seat material? Are your leathers slick or conditioned? In a full tuck my butt and legs clamped onto the tank carry almost all of my weight so I have to do very little holding on with my hands. I am also, I assume by weight, a bit smaller than you and my tuck puts me mostly behind my windscreen. Are you being buffeted by the wind a lot? Is there any way to improve your tuck so that you are not fighting the g-force of acceleration AND the wind?

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A year ago when I was straining to try to hold onto the bike I would have died doing 20 laps in a row. This year since I've found a position that lets me lock on the bike and relax, when I did the MCRA 20 lap race at Hallett the other weekend it was no problem at all. I was thirsty, but not very fatigued. There are a few people out there at the CMRA rounds that aren't exactly athletes, but they can do it and it all comes down to being able to relax on the bike.

I did have to build up some forearm endurance though! I'm using a 19x18 MC and EBC pads so if I really needed to I have a few options to dial up the power. But, it isn't really a problem any more.

That has been my experience at least.
Well said and this is exactly what we all should be striving for. You can be completely relaxed on the bike and still do 150mph...you need to allow the tension to leave your body except when it is needed...something I still struggle with.

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It doesn't seem to be a problem on my 500, but any bike that's much faster than that, it becomes a problem. It's the hard braking and hard acceleration that gets me tired (at least my hands/forearms) and makes me put too much pressure on the handle bars.
Well again, bar pressure while straight up and down is nowhere near as bad as mid-corner. I apply a lot of pressure on my bars when braking hard, but I am always straight up and down so it is ok.

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There's a reason that body positioning is the last thing taught and least important according to Ken Hill. It barely matters until you have mastered the other fundamentals
I am afraid that I do not agree with that method. Fine tuning body position will get you that last 2% when it is needed but if you have massive flaws in your riding position it can cause all sorts of complications much earlier in a riders career...I do not have exact statistics but I would say that the vast majority of crashes at a club level (think 90+%) are a result of bar pressure...something that can be alleviated with proper body position.

While it is not necessary to have perfect form, it is necessary to have a firm understanding of the basics of proper body position, and this is what we are working on here.
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Thanks for the reply. Based on what you said, here are the differences in what I do (as far as I am aware of):

1. I seem to put a lot more weight on the inside foot. I always thought of that as being the natural way. I used to not do that because I had a weird habit of twisting my foot on the peg, such that my heel was about the same height as my toes, sort of just hanging freely. That made it impossible to put any weight on the inside and I struggled in turns, until an STT instructor followed me around and noticed that. Then I started twisting my foot the right way (toes pointing toward the turn, heel locked in up by the heel guards), which allowed me to put more weight on the inside foot and turning instantly became WAY easier.

2. I do lock in my outside leg mostly like you said, except for the foot. I've always been told by many people (and the pros do the same if you look at pictures closely), to position the outside foot with the heel locked in on the peg. Most boots allow for this as they all have a heel that's around 0.5-1" tall. This seems comfortable to me, but the combination of doing this and what I said above in point 1, means more weight on the inside foot and less on the outside. The only times that I don't do that, and I position the outside foot like you said, is during chicanes and that's because there's usually not enough time to move my foot around between the side-to-side transitions.

I will try to do what you suggested next week and see how it goes.

Regarding the straight line accelerating issue, I am (or I think I am) at full tuck. I have a double bubble racing screen so the wind is not the problem. My seat is stock. Usually my butt just slides off to the end and my chest is on the tank. Do you squeeze the tank with your thighs on the straights? Thinking about it now, I don't think I do. I tend to just relax my legs on the straights which means they're not really tight against the tank....so maybe that's part of the reason?

When braking hard into a turn at the end of the straight, I too put a lot of pressure on the bars when straight up, but I tend to not relieve all that pressure once I turn in. I'm pretty much not relaxed until I crack the throttle open about mid turn which stabilizes the suspensions as well. When the bike has a lot of the weight on the front tire, I too have a lot of pressure on the handle bars. But I believe that just goes back to the issue above, about not being anchored properly on the bike through the turns.

I need to work on that. Though like you said, it's hard to brake old habits, especially when I go out on track and I forget about all that and I just try to go as fast as I can lol. Especially when I come up on a friend and we start dicing it out ....then I come back in the pits and think "Shit! I completely forgot to do what I said I was going to focus on!" lol

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I feel like I have good body position but like everything else, there is usually room for improvement. I usually run between 70-90 laps (150-200 miles) in a track day and I can start to feel where I am making mistakes in my body position. It's nice to use it as a marker. If anything gets sore early on, that becomes my next focus.

I don't entirely agree that body positioning should be the last thing taught. While there are certain aspects that may not be important until your pace picks up, there are some basic fundamentals of being comfortable/relaxed and placement on your bike that should be mentioned.

I think that goes for all the fundamentals. Having a basic knowledge of each is key. They should then all be progressed together, not all at once of course. I'd think it would be hard to master one fundamental without having the others at a certain level.

Looking quite good here. My only critique would be to drop that inside shoulder and lower your head about 6" but it is getting nit-picky.
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Thanks, and I've been doing just that.

Was hoping of a more zen answer to leapfrog this SLOW progress.

Guess there isn't a fast resolution to fixing many years of bad habits.
Nope, you nailed it. Repetition, repetition, repetition. then do it again.

There is no shortcut to this process that I am aware of...if you find one, let me know ;-)
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Looking very good. As with some of the others, work on dropping that inside shoulder...it relieves any possibility that you are carrying weight/putting pressure on the bars but again, this is getting nitpicky. You look great.
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Thanks for the reply. Based on what you said, here are the differences in what I do (as far as I am aware of):

1. I seem to put a lot more weight on the inside foot. I always thought of that as being the natural way. I used to not do that because I had a weird habit of twisting my foot on the peg, such that my heel was about the same height as my toes, sort of just hanging freely. That made it impossible to put any weight on the inside and I struggled in turns, until an STT instructor followed me around and noticed that. Then I started twisting my foot the right way (toes pointing toward the turn, heel locked in up by the heel guards), which allowed me to put more weight on the inside foot and turning instantly became WAY easier.

2. I do lock in my outside leg mostly like you said, except for the foot. I've always been told by many people (and the pros do the same if you look at pictures closely), to position the outside foot with the heel locked in on the peg. Most boots allow for this as they all have a heel that's around 0.5-1" tall. This seems comfortable to me, but the combination of doing this and what I said above in point 1, means more weight on the inside foot and less on the outside. The only times that I don't do that, and I position the outside foot like you said, is during chicanes and that's because there's usually not enough time to move my foot around between the side-to-side transitions.

I will try to do what you suggested next week and see how it goes.

Regarding the straight line accelerating issue, I am (or I think I am) at full tuck. I have a double bubble racing screen so the wind is not the problem. My seat is stock. Usually my butt just slides off to the end and my chest is on the tank. Do you squeeze the tank with your thighs on the straights? Thinking about it now, I don't think I do. I tend to just relax my legs on the straights which means they're not really tight against the tank....so maybe that's part of the reason?

When braking hard into a turn at the end of the straight, I too put a lot of pressure on the bars when straight up, but I tend to not relieve all that pressure once I turn in. I'm pretty much not relaxed until I crack the throttle open about mid turn which stabilizes the suspensions as well. When the bike has a lot of the weight on the front tire, I too have a lot of pressure on the handle bars. But I believe that just goes back to the issue above, about not being anchored properly on the bike through the turns.

I need to work on that. Though like you said, it's hard to brake old habits, especially when I go out on track and I forget about all that and I just try to go as fast as I can lol. Especially when I come up on a friend and we start dicing it out ....then I come back in the pits and think "Shit! I completely forgot to do what I said I was going to focus on!" lol
Hmm, to be honest I have never heard of anyone locking their boot heel onto the peg. It goes against everything that I could think of to make riding work but if pros are doing it there must be something to it. Maybe their bikes are set up in such a way that they only need to raise their foot that very short amount to lock in their leg. I guess I have short legs (30" inseam) so I am *always* on the balls of my feet. Always.

Anyway, it is perfectly fine to bear weight with BOTH legs in the turn. Your preference will be the outside, mostly because it is physically easier to hang off the bike with your outside leg than hold yourself up with the inside. If I had to take a guess I would say I am probably at 40% inside, 60% outside in any given turn.

On the straight line acceleration: I definitely squeeze the tank with my legs but it is VERY minor. I guess I just kind of stick in the seat. You might try moving your weight forward, closer to the tank. This will help to engage your legs on the pegs and counter some of those forces pushing you backwards.

For your turn 1 issue: There isn't much to say other than you need to practice letting go of those bars before you commit to the turn. As you trail brake into the turn you should have very little pressure on the bars, if any. I think if you solve your anchoring on the bike issue, this will take care of itself.
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I think my point was that he said with the other fundamentals locked down you'll be much faster than other guys with perfect body positioning and that they're more important to the overal picture

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Hmm, to be honest I have never heard of anyone locking their boot heel onto the peg. It goes against everything that I could think of to make riding work but if pros are doing it there must be something to it. Maybe their bikes are set up in such a way that they only need to raise their foot that very short amount to lock in their leg. I guess I have short legs (30" inseam) so I am *always* on the balls of my feet. Always.
Really?? That's surprising. I've heard of this very early on. Probably one of the first tips I got from instructors, and from multiple sources, although I do know some people that do it the way you do. I just did a quick google search for WSBK pictures and found a good example. It's a large photo so you can zoom in a bit. Watch Melandri's outside foot, where the peg is relative to his boot. That's exactly what I'm talking about.


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Whether your a hooker or a baller is all down to personal preference is what I have always heard.

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