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post #16 of 184 Old 11-15-2016, 05:47 PM
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and the world economy will crash just as sure as your bike will crash from rear brake use.
Last time I used my rear brake was 2008. Shortly after, the housing market and economy tanked. Coincidence?? I think not!

On a more serious note....I never realized how bling'd out your bike is! You should post more pictures....like in the 6OTM thread or somewhere. Looks like a very nicely modified specimen!

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Last time I used my rear brake was 2008. Shortly after, the housing market and economy tanked. Coincidence?? I think not!

On a more serious note....I never realized how bling'd out your bike is! You should post more pictures....like in the 6OTM thread or somewhere. Looks like a very nicely modified specimen!
Thanks for the kind words. My riding buddies refer to it as moto-porn. It's a healthier alternative to drugs, and there's only so much coffee, Scotch and Cabernet one can drink without people gossiping about you... Or peeing on every fire hydrant you come across.
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Thanks for the kind words. My riding buddies refer to it as moto-porn. It's a healthier alternative to drugs, and there's only so much coffee, Scotch and Cabernet one can drink without people gossiping about you... Or peeing on every fire hydrant you come across.
Hahaha! Yes, definitely a healthier alternative, but also more expensive! I've always heard that if you want to make sure your kids don't get into drugs, get them interested in motorcycles and racing from a young age, because they will never have money or time for drugs!

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You don't need SS lines on the rear because you likely won't touch it, and even if you do it won't generate enough heat to make rubber lines a problem. If you really want to spend the $$$ though it can't hurt anything. Different brake pads will all have different traits of how much power they have and how they deliver that power. Truth is you really won't know what you like till you try them which sucks because they ain't cheap. So, if I were you I'd call the vendors and ask them to talk about the pads and how they behave to try to figure out what you think you will like the best.
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Hahaha! Yes, definitely a healthier alternative, but also more expensive! I've always heard that if you want to make sure your kids don't get into drugs, get them interested in motorcycles and racing from a young age, because they will never have money or time for drugs!

If that's the case, my parents screwed me over twice. They not only fueled my addiction to bikes, they enabled my addiction to both a acoustic & electric guitars and tube amps (cathode, for you non-guitar junkies - think really old TVs).

In the last year I've sold 4 guitars and gained 1 amp (pun intended). So, that puts my tally at 11 guitars & 5 amps. As I occasionally remind my wife after she makes quips like, "... Who really needs a dozen guitars...?" At which point I remind her that it's ultimately cheaper than on going mental health therapy.
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Ok, why do you say only front Ss lines and no rear?

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I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but this is purely my opinion on how I ride. I don't ever use the rear brake.
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You don't need SS lines on the rear because you likely won't touch it, and even if you do it won't generate enough heat to make rubber lines a problem. If you really want to spend the $$$ though it can't hurt anything. Different brake pads will all have different traits of how much power they have and how they deliver that power. Truth is you really won't know what you like till you try them which sucks because they ain't cheap. So, if I were you I'd call the vendors and ask them to talk about the pads and how they behave to try to figure out what you think you will like the best.
+1 on this. No way of really knowing if you like it without trying it out.
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I'm not sure if I mentioned this, but this is purely my opinion on how I ride. I don't ever use the rear brake.
Now there you go... That is one way to go faster... 'cuz brakes just slow you down.

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Now there you go... That is one way to go faster... 'cuz brakes just slow you down.
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@zed I rode street for the past two years and I always use the rear brake. To me it feels like I am using the entire braking system. And I carried that over into my first track day.

Thank you all for your help. I'm doing my research on pads tires and the MC I know these are all debated topics so I'm doing as much research as I can.

The MC, as a novice do I really need it or is it nice to have? Also I'm not really sure what the different designations mean such as 19x20 and so forth.

I've narrowed my tire choice down to a Q3 or pirelli supercorsa as they seem to be the best.

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Both tires are great! And no you don't need that MC the one on our bikes is fantastic!(07-12)

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Both tires are great! And no you don't need that MC the one on our bikes is fantastic!(07-12)

I could confirm what Felix said about the tires, though, for me, Dunlop yields a fraction of the mileage that others do, esp. the rear. I also don't have great confidence in them in the wet. Not sure where you live, so those factors may not be applicable. I have the most satisfaction from Bridgestone Battlax or Pirelli Diablo. They give me great feedback in wet or dry, on cool Autumn tarmac or sticky hot August track temps.

Any one who wants the most performance from their bike is also going to push limits, with that comes greater reliance on deceleration from their brake system. No, the stock system is not adequate if one is riding at advanced levels. The O.E. master cylinder is merely adequate. As are the spongy rubber lines and generic pads.They conform to a price point. They are not not top-level equipment. Hell, the O.E. m/c on the 10R is better than the one on the 6R. Let alone from really performance level equipment

Talk to the folks that are high 'B' or 'A' level riders - and I am also talking about aggressive street riding - public announcement: I'm not advocating any one break the motor code, if you do, exercise extreme judgement. Never ride recklessly in moderate-high traffic areas. If you engage in supralegal speeds, the onus is on you.

Once a skilled rider has used a modified brake system they would be loathed to contend with lesser components. And it is a system, not merely 1 or 2 components, rather several that should be improved in order to realize/utilize maximum benefits. This in turn contributes to rider safety and enjoyment. There rightly ought to be an exponential advancement in skill level as the learning curve benefits from the superior system, though that certainly would not occur in all cases.

It's like having better tools in the kitchen or garage, once one has used Kitchen Aid, Cuisinart, Braun, or Thermador in the kitchen, or Craftsman, Mac, or Snap-on tools, those cheap tools from Harbour Freight don't seem like quite the bargain - again, they are merely adequate.

I say this because I know from experience. I've modified nearly every bike I've own. And with each I become more selective with what I do and don't do. Ex: I think the two single best modifications one can do to their bike to improve performance and handling are: tuning the suspension with a top-shelf shock and new forks, or at the very least professionally rebuilt O.E. forks. Next, would be light weight forged Al wheels, or even better Mg wheels. But I'd probably not put the wheels on a bike that's largely a street bike, but absolutely on a race bike. And I'd do the modified suspension to both. Why? Aftermarket wheels are F-ing expensive, and one is not going to be in a place very often to take advantage of the improvement. Better suspension will aid a rider in every situation. And these two mods along with brake system improvements gain you the biggest yawns from others, even your bike riding mates. Visually, there's not a wow facter. (Though, a lot of people noticed my gold Carrozzeria wheels on my CBR 1000RR, even non-motorcyclists).

It's just me, but I believe a brake system that can stop one faster, and in shorter distances is a win-win. If 1-2 finger braking allows the rider to concentrate on the up coming corner apex, or crash debris on the road/track, or a child darting out from between parked cars is a positive thing, then I think one can ponder and even plan on the necessary items to upgrade their brake system. If you feel Super K has majestically bestowed you with the best 'stuff' than you will think what I've said is so much, "... Blah, blah-blah. Blah. Blah, blah, blah-blah..." And that's OK, too.

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Use the money on track-time and tires, lots of them both.
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Use the money on track-time and tires, lots of them both.


Again, this is just my opinion, but I believe Simon is correct.

After the 1st of the year riding schools, track day companies, moto-dealers, and the like start to publish their 2017 schedules. Ask your loved ones/friends to get you g.c. for track days/schools, then examine your work schedule/time-off requests. Remember, they run rain or shine.

Over the last 15-years this has been my wife's go-to Anniversary-Birthday-Christmas (ABC) presents. So, there's 3 every year for me. I ask her to utilise different organisations for a change in teaching style/perspective. Some require more travel, but for me, that's part of the fun. I am fortunate that I have two brothers-in-laws, and an aunt that live close to three different tracks in neighbouring states, so the lodging piece is taken care of; the closest track to me is only about 50-miles from my home.

Start planning for the 2017 season now.

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That is a good idea. I've been looking at a few track day organizations here in the NE mainly TPM, Ace, N2. There are a few more that I am unfamiliar with. I will definitely ask for some track days over the holiday season.



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