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post #31 of 199 Old 11-17-2016, 12:18 PM
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Again, this is just my opinion, but I believe Simon is correct.



After the 1st of the year riding schools, track day companies, moto-dealers, and the like start to publish their 2017 schedules. Ask your loved ones/friends to get you g.c. for track days/schools, then examine your work schedule/time-off requests. Remember, they run rain or shine.



Over the last 15-years this has been my wife's go-to Anniversary-Birthday-Christmas (ABC) presents. So, there's 3 every year for me. I ask her to utilise different organisations for a change in teaching style/perspective. Some require more travel, but for me, that's part of the fun. I am fortunate that I have two brothers-in-laws, and an aunt that live close to three different tracks in neighbouring states, so the lodging piece is taken care of; the closest track to me is only about 50-miles from my home.



Start planning for the 2017 season now.


I dont know who Simon is, but time on the track and tires are what is basicly needed to go on a track, have fun and learn. If there is a goal to be faster - buy rearsets (not the Chinese copies or danmoto), brake lines and some fun brakepads that will help.



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Thread revival, but didn't feel like starting a new one.

So I've begun ordering parts and I've so far ordered new levers (long), zero gravity corsa wind screen, r6 throttle tube, Renthal grips (soft).

Need advice on clip ons. Been looking and narrowed it down to Vortex or woodcraft. But what am I missing about the degree clearances and other issues am a complete newb to this and would like some input. Is there a preferred angle? 7 degrees 10 degrees can they be changed?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to get that section of the bike done soon.


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Thread revival, but didn't feel like starting a new one.

So I've begun ordering parts and I've so far ordered new levers (long), zero gravity corsa wind screen, r6 throttle tube, Renthal grips (soft).

Need advice on clip ons. Been looking and narrowed it down to Vortex or woodcraft. But what am I missing about the degree clearances and other issues am a complete newb to this and would like some input. Is there a preferred angle? 7 degrees 10 degrees can they be changed?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I would like to get that section of the bike done soon.


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I believe the 7 degree are closest to stock. I have the Vortex 7 degree. Great clip-ons and so are the woodcraft. You really can't go wrong with either. The 0 degree will pitch the bars up higher (more like a handlebar) but some people like that feel. I'd say stick to what is closest to stock, but that's my personal preference. Though having the zero's would probably help me get my elbows in front of my knees a bit more while fully tucked in. (I'm 6'3" and can't get the elbows all the way in front of my knees like some short folks can lol)

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So I ended up getting to vortex 7 degree. So I'm looking at tires and brake pads.

Tires I'm leaning twords pirelli supercorsa sp2 - are they too much tire in a novice group? And do I NEED tire warmers with those tires?

Also brake pads. The ones I got are garbage so I'm really up for anything, been looking into the gpfa. Again is this too much pad for a track day newbie ...is there such a thing?

And yes once I get this tire / pad thing sorted out I'm getting Ss lines


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I liked the Apex,, selected the 4" risers. Only needed 3"
They give loads of adjustment. Great kit.

Might slowly start with the wire tie of your bolts. Start with Oil filter and drain plug. when you bump up you will need it.
Next for me would be tires, then suspension. Front since getting used is nuts, shock hope for a nice double or triple clicker Penske or Ohlin's.
I have Brembo master and Nissin calipers, one finger mega braking. I'm still getting used to it.

OH, rear brake is a must IF you ever drive off track and get into the grass. You do NOT want to use your front brake there. It's rear only. Just me two cents.

Hope to see you on the track. I will be doing Barber in April if all goes well, Mid-Ohio In July. Plan on Grattan and of course Putnam. Let me know if your going to any of them.
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So I ended up getting to vortex 7 degree. So I'm looking at tires and brake pads.

Tires I'm leaning twords pirelli supercorsa sp2 - are they too much tire in a novice group? And do I NEED tire warmers with those tires?

Also brake pads. The ones I got are garbage so I'm really up for anything, been looking into the gpfa. Again is this too much pad for a track day newbie ...is there such a thing?

And yes once I get this tire / pad thing sorted out I'm getting Ss lines


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The SP's is a good choice for your level, and no you don't need warmers with those. They are street tires, although really good sticky street tires.

For brake pads, you probably don't need GPFA if you go with EBC. The EPFA and GPFA are more geared towards racing, and very hard use. For novice level, you'll be ok with just about anything. If you want to stick to EBC's, I'd do the HH pads for now. They're also like half the price of EPFA/GPFA. Granted, I'm now a SBS fanboy, so I have to recommend the SBS pads cuz they're awesome. Also if you see Vortex pads, they are simply rebranded SBS pads

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Hiya. Did my 07 last year and stopped myself before spending too much money to convert an 07 into a full on track bike. It was way too expensive and she weighs a shit ton. Decided to just buy a fully prepped 09 and boy did it save me money and headache. Either way most of the advice given here is pretty damn good but its really a question of how far your pockets go. Breaks, tires, and suspension were my first upgrades and in my opinion the most important. After that I got a HyperPro steering dampner and then rear sets, quick shifter, K &N Air filter, etc etc etc. I think SBK answered one of these types of questions a few weeks ago by just listing everything it was pretty accurate, expensive as fuck, and funny because true type of shit. Quoted from SBK

"You asked for ideas, here's some:

- Ohlins TTX shock
- Ohlins 30mm cartridges
- STM slipper clutch
- adjustable rear sets
- clip-ons
- lightweight wheels (forged aluminum, or magnesium, or even carbon)
- quick-shifter
- full exhaust
- adjustable levers
- PCV
- Brembo MC
- Brembo calipers
- rotors
- ceramic wheel bearings and transmission bearings
- lightweight battery
- titanium hardware for the unsprung parts
- upgraded steering damper if you still have the stock '09 one
- lightweight sprockets
- case covers
- quickturn throttle
- engine work...pistons, rods, etc.
- custom fuel map

Did I miss anything that matters?

I suppose I could've mentioned actual brands for everything, but I figured I'd let you pick whatever you want...otherwise it would turn to much into "sbk1198's wish list" lol
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Haha nice @Addhoc ! Glad you got yourself a fully prepped newer zx6r! Post pictures if you haven't already...maybe I missed it.

Also that list...yeah....I'm going through that now with my R3 build. Even for an entry level "cheap" bike, that shit's adding up just the same. I'm on a hold now until I sell my 500 so I can get some more money to put into the R3. Even then I'll probably only have about half that list done.
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@sbk1198 I will be picking it up next week but I have a few pics of it. The bike was actually offered up by guy on the forums that I bought it from. Here is a pic but I dont want to hijack this thread. I will make another thread with everything thats on it once I actually have it in my garage next week

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Fun the build? And yea if I was going all out I'd but something already made. But I'm just starting out and wanted to do it my way. That bike is scary fast as it is. I don't notice the weight

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Fun the build? And yea if I was going all out I'd but something already made. But I'm just starting out and wanted to do it my way. That bike is scary fast as it is. I don't notice the weight

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For me yes it is however its all a means to an end. All that matters in the end is getting it onto the track, after all thats why youre spending the money and more expensively the time to research, plan, buy, install, adjust, and finally ride. However that being said there becomes a point where its just that much cheaper to buy something fully prepped than to buy all the parts out right and do it yourself and I reached that point when I was looking at race fairings and aftermarket suspension as well as a bazzaz mapper and auto tuner install with a dyno. In the end its all about how comfortable you are with spending money vs what youre looking to get out of it. I wanted a fully done track bike, and it would of cost me twice as much as just buying one thats already done. Luckily I came across a great, great deal from a superb buyer. We talked the deal over while having beers in a pub.

To get back on points omeone already mentioned it. You dont need much to get on track but the big 3 that will actually improve performance and save your life the most. Tires, breaks, and you actually learning on the track. After that its all up to you how far down this rabbit hole you want to go Just my 2 cents where to start and it sounds like you have a pretty damn good idea of where youre headed so enjoy the ride!
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Truthfully I just found it to be a PITA when its came to finding stuff for the 07-08 gen. I mean hell one of the upgrades you could do to the front is literally replacing it with the 09+ lol.
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Yeah I agree the build is half the fun. It also teaches you a lot, and you get to really know your bike inside out, so when something goes wrong you'll likely know exactly what's going on right away as oppose to the guy that never puts a wrench on his bike and pays others to do all the work.

However, it usually is a more expensive en-devour. I can tell you I would not be going through all of this on my R3 build if it wasn't such a new model. Since it's only a 2-year old model, there aren't many used built-up track bikes out there for sale, and nobody parting anything out so that I can even get used parts. So I'm having to buy all the parts new, which will cost more than I paid for my zx6r that has all the bells and whistles on it! And it's for that reason that I plan on keeping it for awhile because unlike other bikes I've had, I know for sure I won't be getting most of that money back once I build it up. I reckon in a few years someone's going to get a hell of a deal on a sweet R3 race bike, unless I destroy it before then lol
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I've definately learned alot about the bike. And love to work on it. To be honest never bled the brakes or changed lines or replaced the throttle tube or any of that. It's all a learning experience and there is only one way to learn and get better...

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I've definately learned alot about the bike. And love to work on it. To be honest never bled the brakes or changed lines or replaced the throttle tube or any of that. It's all a learning experience and there is only one way to learn and get better...

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