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Ok so I found a set of sp2 for 330 and I think it's a good buy only issue local cycle gear wants $50 a tire to mount and balance. Any advice on where to get tires put on? I hear that you can get it done at the track, does anyone have insight on this? True? What should I do

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Ok so I found a set of sp2 for 330 and I think it's a good buy only issue local cycle gear wants $50 a tire to mount and balance. Any advice on where to get tires put on? I hear that you can get it done at the track, does anyone have insight on this? True? What should I do

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$50 a tire?? Holy shit! Fuck that! Don't go there...ever! lol

Most places have tire services at the track but you may want to check with your organization because it's not always the case, but from my experience, it's true for about 90% of the times I've been at the track at least. Typically they charge anywhere from 10 to 20 bucks a wheel to mount and balance. Some even do it for free if you buy tires from them. So that's another thing you may want to consider when buying tires.

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Learn how to change and balance it yourself. The initial cost would be a little more then a shop would charge, but after that it would pay for itself.

If that's not your cup of tea, find a car tire shop that can change them and learn to balance yourself. Tire shops usually charge $15 or $20 a wheel.
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$50 a tire?? Holy shit! Fuck that! Don't go there...ever! lol

Most places have tire services at the track but you may want to check with your organization because it's not always the case, but from my experience, it's true for about 90% of the times I've been at the track at least. Typically they charge anywhere from 10 to 20 bucks a wheel to mount and balance. Some even do it for free if you buy tires from them. So that's another thing you may want to consider when buying tires.
Wow nice price. In NYC,the cheapest you can change and balance tires is around $100 from dealers. Price went down a lot compare to what it used to be. Back in the days i went to a shop and they charged me $120 for the rear and $80 for the front. That was the first and last time I took my bike to a dealer.
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Wow nice price. In NYC,the cheapest you can change and balance tires is around $100 from dealers. Price went down a lot compare to what it used to be. Back in the days i went to a shop and they charged me $120 for the rear and $80 for the front. That was the first and last time I took my bike to a dealer.
Well yeah, dealers are more expensive, although still not that ridiculous. Around here it's usually about $45-50 a wheel if you take the bike in, or about 30-40 if you take it off yourself and just take the wheel to them. But the people that do it at the track are pretty much always the cheapest, and they don't add other bs fees.

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track guys nickel and dime you to death

i saw my buddy get charged $120+ to swap tires - yea both tires were on the bike, but $120 for 15 mins of work is a lil insane

also cycle gear notoriously raises their tire swap prices if you dont buy the tire directly from them
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track guys nickel and dime you to death

i saw my buddy get charged $120+ to swap tires - yea both tires were on the bike, but $120 for 15 mins of work is a lil insane

also cycle gear notoriously raises their tire swap prices if you dont buy the tire directly from them
I love how everyone thinks labor is free and the use of expensive equipment is also free...and the space that they use to change your tires is free...and the electricity and heat that they use must also be free.

You are using a $6000+ tire machine, a compressor powerful enough to run it (about $4k for something dependable), the tools required to do the swap including things like bike stands, and the accepting the risk for liability of working on someone elses bike.

Since I pit with the Pirelli vendor at our local series and help out there a bit, I can give you our point of view.

If you buy tires from us, the mount and balance is included in the purchase price (below list price).

If you bring me wheels its $25/wheel to change the tire which includes a tire disposal fee which we get charged ($9/tire) because, you know, disposal is also not free.

If you bring me a bike and expect me to change the tires, $100-$150 depending on the bike is very reasonable. *I* can change a set of tires that are on a bike in about 20 minutes and I have literally changed hundreds if not thousands of them. This assumes that I have the correct tools all laid out, that I have the correct pins for the stands, that there are spools on the bike, and that nothing is safety wired, stripped, or rounded. It also assumes that I have someone balancing one while I am still mounting the other and that there are no other distractions/demands on my time.

An hour is a more reasonable amount of time and that price is very cheap for it when you factor in rent and utilities, consumables (tire lube, wheel weights, rubber gloves, cleaner, paper towels), disposables (tire disposal fee), and the actual cost of labor.
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So for me to take off the wheel and bring it is 50 a wheel is too much?

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So for me to take off the wheel and bring it is 50 a wheel is too much?

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Yeah, i would never pay $50/wheel for bringing the wheel in. You can get it done much cheaper at the track, but I am also not a fan of scrambling around and possibly missing a session due to a tire change. I have to believe you have another shop nearby that would do it for $25-30/wheel.
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$330 for the tires and $100 for the mounting and balancing seems a bit steep.

I used cycle gear last year, bought the S20's on special, then paid $25 a tire for mounting and balancing. I take it you didn't buy the tires from them. I am pretty sure they are $25 a tire if you buy it from them and $50 a tire if not.

May want to look somewhere else for those tires. $430 is a lot of cash. I don't think I was paying that much a few years ago for tires, oil change, and inspection on my old R6 at the local shop.

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Are you sure it's not $50 a set? That's why cycle gear charges here and AFAIK it's the same at all the stores...

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I love how everyone thinks labor is free and the use of expensive equipment is also free...and the space that they use to change your tires is free...and the electricity and heat that they use must also be free.

You are using a $6000+ tire machine, a compressor powerful enough to run it (about $4k for something dependable), the tools required to do the swap including things like bike stands, and the accepting the risk for liability of working on someone elses bike.

Since I pit with the Pirelli vendor at our local series and help out there a bit, I can give you our point of view.

If you buy tires from us, the mount and balance is included in the purchase price (below list price).

If you bring me wheels its $25/wheel to change the tire which includes a tire disposal fee which we get charged ($9/tire) because, you know, disposal is also not free.

If you bring me a bike and expect me to change the tires, $100-$150 depending on the bike is very reasonable. *I* can change a set of tires that are on a bike in about 20 minutes and I have literally changed hundreds if not thousands of them. This assumes that I have the correct tools all laid out, that I have the correct pins for the stands, that there are spools on the bike, and that nothing is safety wired, stripped, or rounded. It also assumes that I have someone balancing one while I am still mounting the other and that there are no other distractions/demands on my time.

An hour is a more reasonable amount of time and that price is very cheap for it when you factor in rent and utilities, consumables (tire lube, wheel weights, rubber gloves, cleaner, paper towels), disposables (tire disposal fee), and the actual cost of labor.
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Are you sure it's not $50 a set? That's why cycle gear charges here and AFAIK it's the same at all the stores...
All I know is that the guy said if I bought the tires somewhere else it would be 100 to mount and balance. And that seemed expensive

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Tires guys im so sorry to say but you have the absolute most repetitive task in a garage/shop second to an oil change only tech. And the worst thing is you cant competitively control sales prices of your tires.... if your in it to make $$$ guess you should really look into it again.

What fukn inurance? Ama motoamerica dunflop guys cracked a bst carbon rim.

Gave it back and said sorry our clamp pressure is really high.......

Also my previous career was a mercedes tech, i truly believe the service industry overcharges motorcycle riders to flash ecus and tire swaps currently.
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So I have some time to start getting the bike out of hibernation... and it begins with an oil change. I am going with a k&n oil filter but I don't know what oil.

I know that oil is a touchy topic so I'll try and simplify it. I've been running she'll Rotella t6 in the bike. As it is now going to be track only I was thinking about switching to mobile 1 t4 my question is is the Rotella ok or should I make the switch?

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