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post #16 of 46 Old 02-28-2017, 10:53 AM
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There was a recall now that I...recall...er remember (haha) for the 300. Basically you'd pull the clutch and the engine would cut-out. They replaced the ECU for that. But that was late 2013 from memory.

I take it the CBR500's are shit? I hear they lack power and are heavy. They look cool though.

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Look at last weekends results from Chuckwalla, Gray and his KTM up front followed by a long line of R3's... If your racing an R3 register with BluCru and get $$$ my boy Madama made a bunch of money last month and this month... Almost paid the initial purchase of the bike off already this year!
That is actually a good point that I had overlooked. If Yamaha offers contingency (I know Kawasaki does not) then that would make the R3 a no brainer. Time to do some digging.\

**EDIT** I stand corrected, and likely why you see more green on the grid.

Kawasaki does offer contingency for the Ninja 300 in CCS (what I race).

Now, time to start looking for a 2016 Ninja 300 =)
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That is actually a good point that I had overlooked. If Yamaha offers contingency (I know Kawasaki does not) then that would make the R3 a no brainer. Time to do some digging.\

**EDIT** I stand corrected, and likely why you see more green on the grid.

Kawasaki does offer contingency for the Ninja 300 in CCS (what I race).

Now, time to start looking for a 2016 Ninja 300 =)
The problem with the R3 is that barely anyone is selling any well setup used ones. Since I've been going through this lately, here are the main options I've found:

1. Best method (hardest to find): buy a used track-ready R3. I've seen some go for around $4500 - 5000 but very very few.

2. Easiest but most expensive method: find one in great condition (~$4000) then spend another $3000-$4000 to make it a decent race bike.

3. The intermediate method, which is what I did: find a busted up salvaged one that has a good frame, engine, wheels, etc. with just cosmetic damage and then spend the money that you would anyway on aftermarket parts. I got mine for $1300 after all fees and taxes. Now I'm slowly putting more and more money into it. By the time I'm done, I'm sure I would have put at least $4000 in, not counting the bike, but that's stuff I would've bought anyway (fairings, suspensions, exhaust, fuel management system, rear sets, clip-ons, etc.)

Speaking of that....did you get the R3 levers in yet?
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The problem with the R3 is that barely anyone is selling any well setup used ones. Since I've been going through this lately, here are the main options I've found:

1. Best method (hardest to find): buy a used track-ready R3. I've seen some go for around $4500 - 5000 but very very few.

2. Easiest but most expensive method: find one in great condition (~$4000) then spend another $3000-$4000 to make it a decent race bike.

3. The intermediate method, which is what I did: find a busted up salvaged one that has a good frame, engine, wheels, etc. with just cosmetic damage and then spend the money that you would anyway on aftermarket parts. I got mine for $1300 after all fees and taxes. Now I'm slowly putting more and more money into it. By the time I'm done, I'm sure I would have put at least $4000 in, not counting the bike, but that's stuff I would've bought anyway (fairings, suspensions, exhaust, fuel management system, rear sets, clip-ons, etc.)

Speaking of that....did you get the R3 levers in yet?
In transit. Should have them shortly.
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I own and race an R3 and a ninja 300. Both bikes are capable of winning against the other.
The R3 feels like it has more power, more notable on faster more flowing tracks. The bike feels much lighter and turns a lot easier.
The ninja's slipper clutch is definitely handy on the tighter race tracks, the bike feels a lot more stable and the gearbox & engine is a lot smoother. Biggest issue I've had with the ninja is clearance... my fairings, rearsets & exhaust are constantly scraping.
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I own and race an R3 and a ninja 300. Both bikes are capable of winning against the other.
The R3 feels like it has more power, more notable on faster more flowing tracks. The bike feels much lighter and turns a lot easier.
The ninja's slipper clutch is definitely handy on the tighter race tracks, the bike feels a lot more stable and the gearbox & engine is a lot smoother. Biggest issue I've had with the ninja is clearance... my fairings, rearsets & exhaust are constantly scraping.
Good to know! Finally someone that's actually raced both! You're the first one I came across that has 1st hand experience on track with both. Sounds like I've made the right decision. On the 500 I suffered due to ground clearance, and the extra weight didn't help either. I just wanted something that can lean a bit more and is lighter and even more nimble...sounds like the R3 is a good choice.
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Good to know! Finally someone that's actually raced both! You're the first one I came across that has 1st hand experience on track with both. Sounds like I've made the right decision. On the 500 I suffered due to ground clearance, and the extra weight didn't help either. I just wanted something that can lean a bit more and is lighter and even more nimble...sounds like the R3 is a good choice.
My conclusion as well after doing more research. Looks like I have to be looking for an R3
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My conclusion as well after doing more research. Looks like I have to be looking for an R3
So are you planning on getting rid of the zx6r to replace with the 300 or R3? Or another bike?

You said you can't afford to race the zx6r this year but might be able to afford racing a little bike. Aside tire costs, which will probably run you about 25% of what it would cost for the zx6r in a season, and a bit of money saved on gas, the costs will be the same. But the difference you save there is a lot less than the amount you'd have to spend to buy a bike and get it race-ready.
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Hmmm. I have an offer on a 2008 ZX6R with low kms, or do I go and test an RC390, CBR300/500, EX300 and R3? Also interested in the new Benelli (300) which has dual front rotors. I also have a ton of parts left over from my old EX300. Argh I wish life wasn't so complicated.

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So are you planning on getting rid of the zx6r to replace with the 300 or R3? Or another bike?

You said you can't afford to race the zx6r this year but might be able to afford racing a little bike. Aside tire costs, which will probably run you about 25% of what it would cost for the zx6r in a season, and a bit of money saved on gas, the costs will be the same. But the difference you save there is a lot less than the amount you'd have to spend to buy a bike and get it race-ready.
Likely have to sell the ZX6R but still working out the details. I may have a line on a R3 for very short money and could then take my time getting it set up for racing for maybe next year. The big savings between the two is the tire budget. On the ZX6R I need 2 rears, 1 front every weekend. On an R3 a single set would likely last me most of a season. That is about a $4000 savings annually.
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Likely have to sell the ZX6R but still working out the details. I may have a line on a R3 for very short money and could then take my time getting it set up for racing for maybe next year. The big savings between the two is the tire budget. On the ZX6R I need 2 rears, 1 front every weekend. On an R3 a single set would likely last me most of a season. That is about a $4000 savings annually.


For the slower riders a set of tires might last a season but i'ld expect you'll be replacing the tires every couple of rounds (still significantly less than on the 600)
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For the slower riders a set of tires might last a season but i'ld expect you'll be replacing the tires every couple of rounds (still significantly less than on the 600)
That's probably overkill. At my local tracks, even the fastest guys that win all the time on their 300s aren't changing tires that often. They might go through 2 new sets in a season. But some of them also coach so they put a lot more laps on them cuz they ride novice group to instruct and then they run advanced to have fun and to practice more.
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That's probably overkill. At my local tracks, even the fastest guys that win all the time on their 300s aren't changing tires that often. They might go through 2 new sets in a season. But some of them also coach so they put a lot more laps on them cuz they ride novice group to instruct and then they run advanced to have fun and to practice more.


Maybe our race weekends mean that we spend more time on track. Most R3 riders that ride in the national series here are scheduled to be on track for 5hrs over Fri-Sun
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Maybe our race weekends mean that we spend more time on track. Most R3 riders that ride in the national series here are scheduled to be on track for 5hrs over Fri-Sun
Our weekends are just Saturday/Sunday, and although we can be on track for about 3.5 hours each of the 2 days, nobody does that. I reckon even those guys probably ride for about 4-5 hours total over a weekend, although I'm guessing no more than 1 hour of that is done at race pace. Track condition also matters. Maybe your tracks are more abrasive and chew up tires more. But generally speaking the local fast guys here on the 300s are getting at least 4-5 weekends on a set of tires. Mine lasted me a whole season on my 500 but I also rode less since I have the zx6r too so I do less laps than others. In an average day, I probably only do about 30 laps on the little bike and 20 laps on the zx6r.
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Likely have to sell the ZX6R but still working out the details. I may have a line on a R3 for very short money and could then take my time getting it set up for racing for maybe next year. The big savings between the two is the tire budget. On the ZX6R I need 2 rears, 1 front every weekend. On an R3 a single set would likely last me most of a season. That is about a $4000 savings annually.
Hope you are holding the number one plate replacing tires that often on the 600.

After looking at your videos, your race track surface looks like it is fucked.
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