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post #1 of 11 Old 04-02-2017, 01:25 PM Thread Starter
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Lowering 2006 636 for short rider

Hey everyone, new here. I just bought a 2006 zx6r 636. My last bike was a 2012 ninja 250 that I had to lower 3 inches in the rear for it to be rideable for me. I am 5 feet tall. The 636 came with a lowering link with three holes in it, and it is on the lowest setting. The front I lowered about a 1" or so. I still cannot touch the ground on this bike. My next idea is to try shaving the seat. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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greetings, Jen.

I'm sure you will be inundated with the typical hellos in short order.... as I've been married for 30 years, I can avoid all of that. Nice to have you along for the ride.

I am not personally a fan of lowering bikes. I know there are a lot of reasons that make sense for some people, and respect that choice.

If you have to lower it, and go through with shaving the seat in addition to that to make it even easier to get a foot down..... there really isn't going to be that much more you can do. From there, platform footwear is about all you can do IMHO.

I have always wondered why it is so important to get both feet flat on the ground. Anything more than the ball of one foot touching when you mean it to is pretty much excess, as the foot is typically there for the third point of support to keep the bike from tipping over.

Trying to go backwards on your tippy toes doesn't use very many of your leg muscles, and none of your arms. Poor traction and almost no muscle power means the situation is a lot more precarious than it should be. If you need to back the bike up, it is far more effective to get off and push the right direction so you can get decent traction and involve your whole body in the effort.

When I was a pre teen, and stole rides on my older brother's bicycles, and then their dirt bikes I could never get both feet on the ground. When they had 10 speeds, I would have to launch off of a curb, if I wanted to be on the seat when I got going.

Trying to jump start a motocross bike when the seat is almost level with your armpit takes some gumption (and desire)...... but it can be done.

Once the bike is in motion, it doesn't matter if your foot can touch the ground, at all.

If you look at the MotoGP racers, almost all of them are the size of jockeys -- for the same reasons. Smaller is lighter, and lighter lets you accelerate better (winning).
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Hello and welcome!

Yes, shave the seat. That will probably help the most without negatively affecting the geometry of the suspension. If you do lower the suspension, make sure you lower the front and back by the same amount (otherwise the bike won't turn the same or have the same stability at speed).

I am on the balls of my feet/tiptoes if I put both feet on the ground. I usually keep my right foot on the brake at stops and put my left foot on the ground.

If I need to back out of a space, I usually do it off of the bike, or I spin the bike around on the kickstand to point it the opposite direction.

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Hi Jen, and welcome to the forums.

I really wanted to stress what the others have said. I rarely flat-foot any bike as I am pretty short (for a guy) myself but I have no need to. One foot is all I ever put down and I am off the bike if I want to back it up on most bikes.

One thing the others have not mentioned is what lowering does to the geometry of the motorcycle. The short version is that it adversely affects the handling of the bike so if at all possible you may want to try to learn to ride it with it a little bit taller. Actually these bikes handle best when they are raised a bit from where the factory has them, if you can believe that.

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Thank you for all the advice. If I didn't have to lower the bike I wouldn't. I beleive the bike to be lowered 4 inches and with that I am still not able to tip toe. I've rode the bike in a parking lot and the only way I can touch is if I lean off the seat and tip toe on only one side. Once I've brought the bike to a stop I have to ask someone to put my kick stand down because I can't reach it. I really dont want to give this bike up, I'm determined to find a way to all east be able to kick my own kickstand down and just learn to lean off the side to put a foot down
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Jen, if you can put your foot on the left peg, you should be able to kick the side stand down.... there should be a stub on the side of it that you can kick, without having to hit the tip.

I know I use the heel of my left boot to do this on my 09, my guess is that you have a similar situation....

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Thank you for all the advice. If I didn't have to lower the bike I wouldn't. I beleive the bike to be lowered 4 inches and with that I am still not able to tip toe. I've rode the bike in a parking lot and the only way I can touch is if I lean off the seat and tip toe on only one side. Once I've brought the bike to a stop I have to ask someone to put my kick stand down because I can't reach it. I really dont want to give this bike up, I'm determined to find a way to all east be able to kick my own kickstand down and just learn to lean off the side to put a foot down
I can understand your concern. I can 'barely' tiptoe both sides. I can't flat foot both sides. That said, I almost never put both feet down. You might try foot on the right side, poke the kickstand with your left toe, then rock it to the left side.

I rode a KLR650 once, I felt like I needed a curb to get onto it. Getting off was much easier, using the technique I mentioned above.

Lacking that, there's always this:

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I can understand your concern. I can 'barely' tiptoe both sides. I can't flat foot both sides. That said, I almost never put both feet down. You might try foot on the right side, poke the kickstand with your left toe, then rock it to the left side.

I rode a KLR650 once, I felt like I needed a curb to get onto it. Getting off was much easier, using the technique I mentioned above.

Lacking that, there's always this:

https://youtu.be/YId9Pr_RlIo?t=8s
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Jen,

Hello and welcome. Please share a photo of your new bike with us. Many have provided insight as to why one should not lower the bike. I don't disagree with their reasons. However, my ZX6R is lowered. I have always ridden bikes that have been lowered in some way or another, and have become used to it. I know it's limits, and also know that if I were to take it to a track day, I would raise is back up. After riding bikes dropped 2 inches in front and rear, 2 in the rear only, and 1.5 in the rear only, I can only imagine how low your bike might be. I think your only other options are to shave the seat, or drop the front more. You may also want to see what brand lowering link you have. I know that there are a few companies that sell 3 inch drops, which would be really low, but maybe what you need. Either way, lowered or not, enjoy your new purchase and be safe. Again, welcome to the forum.

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Thank you for all the advice. If I didn't have to lower the bike I wouldn't. I beleive the bike to be lowered 4 inches and with that I am still not able to tip toe. I've rode the bike in a parking lot and the only way I can touch is if I lean off the seat and tip toe on only one side. Once I've brought the bike to a stop I have to ask someone to put my kick stand down because I can't reach it. I really dont want to give this bike up, I'm determined to find a way to all east be able to kick my own kickstand down and just learn to lean off the side to put a foot down
I get ya, and well, you gotta do what you gotta do =) I just want to make sure you are aware of the consequences.

I would definitely start with shaving the seat. There is a lot of padding in there that adds almost an inch to the seat height. Out of curiosity, what is your inseam? I have known more than a few gals that are around the 5' mark and they were able to get by. I will drop an email to one of them and ask what they did to make it happen.

Good luck!
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Jen,

I have to think it would be possible to re-locate the rear sub frame so that it rides lower on the main frame. I have to believe that it would be possible to lower the seat in this manner by at leas another inch or two. The main frame is what creates the ground clearance and controls the handling -- the fork and swing arm are both attached to that rather than the sub. So is the rear shock.... I have to think that if people can make adapter plates to off set the foot pegs, it shouldn't be any more difficult than that to make plates to alter where the sub frame is located.

The sub just holds up the seat, so to speak. No reason to think that it would be impossible to modify the point of attachment so that it is carried lower overall. It would make the body work look funny where it is supposed to align -- that sort of stuff never bothers me; as I don't look at the bike while I am riding it.

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