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post #1 of 47 Old 04-13-2017, 09:04 AM Thread Starter
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Capitalcrew's track bike fiasco

As you may know, I picked up the ultimate turd back in February, a 2007 zx6r that's been down, has thrown a chain, is missing pieces, and is generally awful. It's perfect for what I want to do with it.

This is going to be a running thread on things I've done and issues I've come across that I may need help with.

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Currently the bike needs a few things.

1. Chain and sprockets, has some shitty cheap ass rusty piece of junk on it at the moment.

2. Front sprocket cover, current one was grenaded when the chain went. There is oil in the vicinity, I am hoping that this is just from someone making a mess while changing the filer. It has not leaked since I've had it, so.... we'll see.

3. Oil change.

4. Throttle doesn't snap back. Snaps back when the tube is removed and you just work the cable, seems to be an assembly issue. Tube spins freely on the clipon.

5. Have a bad fork seal, need to remove them and do the seals and oil.

6. Tires. They're shot and I have questions about these. I'm a novice track rider and I plan on using this on the street now and then.

7. Rearsets, currently have shitty ones from ebay. I have some cheap beat up woodcraft ones that are going on soon.

8. The tank rocks side to side and I don't know why. It seems like all of the hardware is in place and tight but it still moves. Need to solve this.

9. Bike has 22k miles, need to check and possibly adjust valves.

10. Fairings need to go back on.

That's about everything, so nothing much at all.

Questions:

1. I'm looking at a DID chain and sprocket kit for 120 bucks, any better deals out there that I should consider?

2. Oil filter options? What's good and cheap, and where to get them? I was looking for an oem kawasaki one but there's so many fakes out there I don't know what to think when I find them.

3. Everything seems to work great in the throttle assembly by itself, but once you put it all together it goes to shit. The clamps fit together great, they fit on the bar properly, the fit on the tube properly, but once you add the cables it doesn't seem to fit together properly. I feel like I'm missing something here and I don't know what.

4. I'm looking at bridgestone battlax s21 tires. I'm a novice as I said, I don't have tire warmers etc, will these be sufficient? I like the price point. To save money could I mount them myself? Do they need to be balanced or is that not an issue with bike tires? I've seen info going both ways.

Anyways, that's where I'm at. Check back for more n00b questions. thx ya'll
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post #2 of 47 Old 04-13-2017, 09:56 AM
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1. No, that's a good price. Buy it.

2. OEM or K&N, although I've heard K&N has been really slacking on the quality these days. I still use them because of convenience, but you can always go with OEM from places like Partzilla.

3. Can you elaborate more? What exactly is the problem you're having once you put everything together? Is the throttle binding or something else?

4. Those will work fine. Yes, motorcycle tires get balanced. Make sure you tape over the weights if the person that mounts your tires doesn't do it. I've had a couple of instances where they forgot the tape, and I found the weights on the ground next to my front wheel in the garage or trailer. I can't say if not balancing makes a bid difference or not though...I imagine the faster the speed is the more difference it makes, but haven't tested it myself.
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As far as oil filters go, I just use K&N. You can go into any auto store and they should be able to look up the proper size for you, that's what I do. I forget what they cost, but they aren't anything that's gonna break the bank.
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I've been hearing some negative things about the k&n in my research which is why I asked about the filter. I'll probably go with oem and just buy somewhere reputable instead of trying to find the cheapest one lol.

The weights have to be taped for the track day so that's definitely going to be done, I was just wondering if I could save a few bucks and skip it. I've heard a lot of guys claim they don't balance tires which seems crazy to me but what do I know lol.

Thoughts on that tire choice? Will that be sufficient?

As far as the throttle goes when I try to put the clamps back on with the cables they don't fit together. There is a gap like something isn't letting them seat together properly but I can't find anything in particular that's wrong. It's kind of got me stumped. I consider myself to be pretty mechanically inclined, but there is literally nothing complex about this thing at all and it just doesn't seem to fit together. Considering buying a used clip on with throttle and cables all attached so I can be done with it LOL.
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I use a Harbor Freight tire balancer. You can buy one for approx. $40-50 online. Balancing your tires is important. You don't need the tire hopping down the street or track. Keep fiddling with the throttle assembly halves and the tube, you probably have something in the wrong place or the cable are not sitting correct.
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That's what I figured about the tires. Might buy or build a cheap balancer, this might be something I find myself doing often lol.

As for the throttle it isn't a complex assembly.. I don't know what could possible be going wrong, but I'll try it again when I get out of work. They do check throttles at this track, so it definitely needs to snap back properly.
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I've been hearing some negative things about the k&n in my research which is why I asked about the filter. I'll probably go with oem and just buy somewhere reputable instead of trying to find the cheapest one lol.

The weights have to be taped for the track day so that's definitely going to be done, I was just wondering if I could save a few bucks and skip it. I've heard a lot of guys claim they don't balance tires which seems crazy to me but what do I know lol.

Thoughts on that tire choice? Will that be sufficient?

As far as the throttle goes when I try to put the clamps back on with the cables they don't fit together. There is a gap like something isn't letting them seat together properly but I can't find anything in particular that's wrong. It's kind of got me stumped. I consider myself to be pretty mechanically inclined, but there is literally nothing complex about this thing at all and it just doesn't seem to fit together. Considering buying a used clip on with throttle and cables all attached so I can be done with it LOL.
Any shop or tire vendor at the track will automatically balance the tires when they mount them. It's not an extra service that you have to ask and pay for. If you mount your own tires, then yes, get a balancer and wheel weights and do it.

Regarding the throttle, that's kind of a hard one to troubleshoot via forum without having eyes and hands on it. Pictures might help, but only so much.
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go to bikebandit.com and order yourself a tire balancer as well as the tire changing forks from motion pro. You can definitely do the tire change yourself. Just be sure to get the tires warm before doing it or else it will be a bitch. That an some windex helps things. Also go to youtube and look up "MC garage tire change" and its an easy how-to video.

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That's what I figured about the tires. Might buy or build a cheap balancer, this might be something I find myself doing often lol.

As for the throttle it isn't a complex assembly.. I don't know what could possible be going wrong, but I'll try it again when I get out of work. They do check throttles at this track, so it definitely needs to snap back properly.
I just thought of one more thing. Is it on a stock clip-on? If so, they generally have a hole in the clip-on and there is a little metal extrusion on one of the halves from the throttle housing that needs to go into that hole or else you can't clamp them together. That helps prevent the throttle housing from rotating. Unfortunately aftermarket clip-ons don't come with a hole so I've had to drill them in the past.

At least that's the case on some bikes I've had. Not sure if the ZX6R is the same. I have not taken my throttle assembly apart on mine yet because I had no reason to.

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I just thought of one more thing. Is it on a stock clip-on? If so, they generally have a hole in the clip-on and there is a little metal extrusion on one of the halves from the throttle housing that needs to go into that hole or else you can't clamp them together. That helps prevent the throttle housing from rotating. Unfortunately aftermarket clip-ons don't come with a hole so I've had to drill them in the past.

At least that's the case on some bikes I've had. Not sure if the ZX6R is the same. I have not taken my throttle assembly apart on mine yet because I had no reason to.
This may be the missing link on why I can't get it back together, I hadn't even thought to look. I'll double check when I get home. That still doesn't explain why the damn thing sticks thought haha.

I'll have to look into the the tire equipment. I hate paying for things I can do myself.
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This may be the missing link on why I can't get it back together, I hadn't even thought to look. I'll double check when I get home. That still doesn't explain why the damn thing sticks thought haha.

I'll have to look into the the tire equipment. I hate paying for things I can do myself.
If this link works, look at the picture:

Kawasaki Motorcycle Parts 2007 ZX600P7F Ninja ZX-6R HANDLEBAR Diagram

There is definitely a hole in there like I was talking about. Try it on and make sure the plastic end on the throttle tube (where the cables go in) doesn't bind on anything else. When the throttle housing is bolted together correctly, the throttle tube should spin easily without binding, unless the grip is pushed too far to that end and it rubs against the plastic housing.

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No throttle tube touching the end of bar. A bit of cable lube between the tube and bar. Locate the pin hole and tighten. Yes for sure you have to have the throttle close all the way. Make sure no grip glue has made a mess to keep the throttle from spinning freely.
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Kawasaki Motorcycle Parts 2007 ZX600P7F Ninja ZX-6R HANDLEBAR Diagram

There is definitely a hole in there like I was talking about. Try it on and make sure the plastic end on the throttle tube (where the cables go in) doesn't bind on anything else. When the throttle housing is bolted together correctly, the throttle tube should spin easily without binding, unless the grip is pushed too far to that end and it rubs against the plastic housing.
Yeah I know exactly what you're referring to. I'm in awe that I missed it honestly. Really stupid stuff here. When you add aftermarket bars on jetskis you actually grind out the alignment pin so you can clock your controls. This isn't my first rodeo, but it certainly seems like it
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First, welcome to the addiction.

Second, please check the valves. With that many miles it's do.
On the track you will tend to run at higher RPM's than the street no since in hurting the bike.
Check the valve clearances. IF You need shim's. I highly suggest pulling the engine. It will make getting the cams back in the correct position much easier. It's possible to do it in the bike. I did, but in hindsight next time mine needs to be done. The engine will come out.
On the chain, that's a good price. I would also replace the sprockets. I'm from the school they are always be replaced in a set. Old sprockets will wear down the new chain faster if not replaced.
Might look at a motion pro throttle setup. You get several choices of cam's that allow really nice movement, mine is pretty aggresive slow start and opens quickly.
https://www.motionpro.com/featured/rev2_throttle
Those tires should work fine, later get some Q3's.

OH, oil filter go stock get from a dealer or partsunlimted etc they sell OEM equipment.
The K+N's have been known to frequently leak from bad welds. Also the nut is so so at best for getting the filter off anyway.

Ever make it to the central states. Look me up, looking forward to some new tracks this year. First day is putnam on Saturday. YA HOOO.
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Chain kit comes with sprockets.

The tip on the Valves is appreciated. I'm going to be checking them once my new fuel lid gets here so I can move the tank without it spilling everywhere, hopefully I don't need to drop the motor but we'll see when the time comes.

For today... Snappy throttle achievement unlocked. I also pulled the front sprocket cover and verified no case damage so we're 2 for 2 today. It's a good day.
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