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post #31 of 124 Old 04-25-2017, 11:55 AM
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Yes Sir. I am all about utility. Give me something that works. Gearing. Suspension. Then Motor. Sounding cool and bragging rights don't come close to the afformetioned necessities. I am amazed at the guys that I meet riding liter bikes and they can only use about half of that power. My 636 works them over and then they are standing there rethinking that BMW1000rr purchase. Funny shit.
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The S1000RR will walk a 636 easily... the built ones are making 210-217 HP. Lol. A fully built 636 maybe 150 HP?

Anyways, instead of getting a full exhaust, take the 1-1.5k in savings and buy a years worth of track days!!!
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The S1000RR will walk a 636 easily... the built ones are making 210-217 HP. Lol. A fully built 636 maybe 150 HP?

Anyways, instead of getting a full exhaust, take the 1-1.5k in savings and buy a years worth of track days!!!
Not in a tight canyon. Horse power does not mean shit unless you have somewhere to put it. In a drag race yes.
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im going to be that guy.

I dont buy slip ons for power or performance gains, or how it sounds. its not a track bike.

I buy them purely because 90% of stock mufflers are ugly as can be. A two bros slip on is 100% better looking than a stocker. Power and sound are irrelevent to me, i just cant stand that huge clucker of a pipe hanging off a bike.
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Not in a tight canyon. Horse power does not mean shit unless you have somewhere to put it. In a drag race yes.
It's faster in turns too. Just look at lap times from super bike to supersport

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It's faster in turns too. Just look at lap times from super bike to supersport
In racing, yes, they are faster through turns. However, you need to compare like with like.

In Supersport, there are much more stringent rules. You can modify fork internals, but you can't change the forks themselves. Tyres must be treaded and road legal as opposed to slicks. Swingarms, yokes, etc are all freely changeable under Superbike rules (including having adjustable pivot points). All of these things make BIG differences when it comes to handling and corner speed.

However, equal out these factors (even with something with less than half the power of a WSB machine like a 250 2T) and the corner speed win goes to the 2T due to much lower mass. On road spec machinery in tight turns, a litre bike gains precisely nothing when it comes to cornering. 200BHP through the back wheel means nothing in these situations.

If I had my supermono machine (even with treaded tyres) and litre bike on the same tight roads, I promise you that I'd be faster on the 'mono.
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In racing, yes, they are faster through turns. However, you need to compare like with like.

In Supersport, there are much more stringent rules. You can modify fork internals, but you can't change the forks themselves. Tyres must be treaded and road legal as opposed to slicks. Swingarms, yokes, etc are all freely changeable under Superbike rules (including having adjustable pivot points). All of these things make BIG differences when it comes to handling and corner speed.

However, equal out these factors (even with something with less than half the power of a WSB machine like a 250 2T) and the corner speed win goes to the 2T due to much lower mass. On road spec machinery in tight turns, a litre bike gains precisely nothing when it comes to cornering. 200BHP through the back wheel means nothing in these situations.

If I had my supermono machine (even with treaded tyres) and litre bike on the same tight roads, I promise you that I'd be faster on the 'mono.
Supermoto is better on the majority of public roads, there's always crap on the roads, cracks bump and uneven surface which are terrible with my stiff ZX6R suspension but great on a supermoto with higher seat height and long suspension travel.

A closer comparison is MotoAmerica Superstock 1000 but they're still faster, just saying. Rider matters too. http://www.motoamerica.com/supersport Supersport does use slicks. I think you were thinking of Superstock 600 maybe?
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Big bikes are not faster in corners. They've analyzed this plenty of times in the past in GP. They had a tech video of that where they compared data from Moto 3, Moto 2, and MotoGP bikes through a few turns at Phillip Island, and when looking at the mid-corner speed (slowest point), the Moto 3 bikes were the fastest and the MotoGP bikes the slowest. In one particular case they said the Moto 3 bikes were as much as 18 km/hr faster at that point than the GP bikes!

I noticed the same at one of the tracks I went to when I compared data from my XT data logger between the ZX6R and the CBR500. In pretty much every turn on the track the 500 was either just as fast or faster than the ZX6R. But overall the lap times were of course faster on the zx6r.

Difference in lap times on big bikes comes solely from straights and corner exits. That's the only reason they're faster, which makes perfect sense.

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Big bikes are not faster in corners. They've analyzed this plenty of times in the past in GP. They had a tech video of that where they compared data from Moto 3, Moto 2, and MotoGP bikes through a few turns at Phillip Island, and when looking at the mid-corner speed (slowest point), the Moto 3 bikes were the fastest and the MotoGP bikes the slowest. In one particular case they said the Moto 3 bikes were as much as 18 km/hr faster at that point than the GP bikes!

I noticed the same at one of the tracks I went to when I compared data from my XT data logger between the ZX6R and the CBR500. In pretty much every turn on the track the 500 was either just as fast or faster than the ZX6R. But overall the lap times were of course faster on the zx6r.

Difference in lap times on big bikes comes solely from straights and corner exits. That's the only reason they're faster, which makes perfect sense.
Well, yeah. That's why you can sail past big bikes on my race 250. Much less mass on the tires. Even on tight technically tracks like Sonoma, the bigger bikes are faster overall, by quite a big margin. That was all I'm saying. No track or road is just 100% turns
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ok this is kind of getting off topic but why are you guys saying bigger bike(600cc?) can't handle as good as CBR500 or 250cc smaller bikes?

Here's the CBR600RR
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yeah we are derailing the thread lol.
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What oil should I use?
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FUck full exhaust you get BUMPER!!


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