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post #16 of 33 Old 05-09-2017, 08:31 AM
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I wanted to make a joke about you eating glue but nothing that I've come up with has the right punch.
Hint, he didn't way what he glued the seat to . . .
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I've always thought Kawasaki's​ design of the seat attachment was (is) the poorest of any modern sportbike - judging from my '15 636. It borders on idiocy to have to pull off the cowling to access the anchoring bolts. Eventually the plastic retaining nobs on the cowling are going to snap off, forcing the replacement​ of the whole tank cowling - most likely at some point this will occur for both R/L sides.

I pity the poor fool who has the remove the bolts at night in a dark location. Though I'm not a fan of bending both rear corners of the saddle back, it is arguably easier/preferable to the ZX's design.

To that end, I used Sargent-Fast-Access-Pins, by Sargent Seats. It still requires having to yank back the tank cowl on both sides, but one doesn't have to keep their eyes on the task. Owing to the fact that after one performs the operation a handful of times, it becomes strictly a 'tactile' procedure. The 'plunger' is depressed to allow two little bearings to retract, at which point the pin can be removed. To reinsert the pin is essentially the same procedure: depress the plunger once again allowing the pin to be pushed through the hole.

(Though the link below specifies it's for a VFR, it will work for just about any bike.)


Sargent Seats - Honda VFR 800 1998-2001 Fast Access Pins

These are easily reached, literally with one's eyes closed. And they simply cannot be rattled out like a standard bolt can. It's quick, easy, and fool-proof.

In the pix below, one can spot that I've attached a small black zip-tie to each pin. I did this so as I'm about to remove the pin I can stick my 'ring finger' throw the zip-tie to ensure that I don't drop the removed pin by accident.
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I used to lose mine pretty frequently so now I don't use any. Still fits pretty snug and havent had an issue in the 5-ish years I've been doing that.
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So... class action lawsuit to get our seat bolts back?
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I've never bothered using the seat bolts...they just make it harder to get to stuff

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LOL i lost both my seat bolts AND my front fender bolts
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See below post for a different idea on seat bolts.
Velcro is a good idea. I think I'll do that and forget about replacing the seat bolts since they keep falling out anyways...
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I've always thought Kawasaki's​ design of the seat attachment was (is) the poorest of any modern sportbike - judging from my '15 636. It borders on idiocy to have to pull off the cowling to access the anchoring bolts. Eventually the plastic retaining nobs on the cowling are going to snap off, forcing the replacement​ of the whole tank cowling - most likely at some point this will occur for both R/L sides.

I pity the poor fool who has the remove the bolts at night in a dark location. Though I'm not a fan of bending both rear corners of the saddle back, it is arguably easier/preferable to the ZX's design.

To that end, I used Sargent-Fast-Access-Pins, by Sargent Seats. It still requires having to yank back the tank cowl on both sides, but one doesn't have to keep their eyes on the task. Owing to the fact that after one performs the operation a handful of times, it becomes strictly a 'tactile' procedure. The 'plunger' is depressed to allow two little bearings to retract, at which point the pin can be removed. To reinsert the pin is essentially the same procedure: depress the plunger once again allowing the pin ti be pushed through the hole.

(Though the link below specifies it's for a VFR, it will work for just about any bike.)


Sargent Seats - Honda VFR 800 1998-2001 Fast Access Pins

These are easily reached, literally with one's eyes closed. And they simply cannot be rattled out like a standard bolt can. It's quick, easy, and fool-proof.

In the pix below, one can spot that I've attached a small black zip-tie to each pin. I did this so as I'm about to remove the pin I can stick my 'ring finger' throw the zip-tie to ensure that I don't drop the removed pin by accident.
I don't want to drill the subframe but, screw it , I'm ordering those!

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So... class action lawsuit to get our seat bolts back?
Valsidalv, someone from GTA ought to know a mere class action would not be enough with a multi-national law suit, we'd have to take it to The Hauge.

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@ZedExMuse Is there any issue with bodywork clearance with the Sargent fast pins?

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can you seriously attach the seat with just a few pieces of velcro or will it not be enough sticking/clamping force when leaning off?
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[QUOTE=jd41;1461098] @ZedExMuse Is there any issue with bodywork clearance with the Sargent fast pins?[/QUOTE]

None, zip, nada. The only thing I had to do was drill the screw hole ever so slightly bigger for the pins to go through. BTW, follow their directions on drill size "to the T," because the bearings that secure the pins in place are small. There's a chance if you don't have what they tell you to use and 'round up' the hole will be too large. So, if you don't have the suggested size, make a trip to the hardware store. And no I don't recall the bit size.

I've used these on other bikes, and have never had a problem with them. I have never had a set wear out. Once the correct size hole is made, the pins slide in with no undo force required. It really "that simple." Initially, I would have to bend over and watch what I was doing. Now, I literally can remove them without looking - muscle memory just takes over.

I'll confide one wee bit of info that may or may not be unique to me. I have discovered a little trick about myself, that seems to make the 'procedure' fool-proof for me. It may make no difference for anyone else: Envision one is standing next to their bike looking in the line of direction the bike is facing. In other words, if the front tire is pointed North, my face is pointed North. I am standing slightly to the rear of the opening of the area that is covered by the tank cowling. I stick my 'outside hand into the cavity where the pin is located.' So, if I am on the bike's left, I insert my left hand; on its right flank, I use my right hand. Weird, I know. But it's become automatic, and spot on every time. Something about the correct angle of elbow/wrist/digit flexation that works every time. If for some reason I forget, I'm-a-stumblin', and a-bumblin' around. Reset, job done.
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can you seriously attach the seat with just a few pieces of velcro or will it not be enough sticking/clamping force when leaning off?
My seat hasn't been attached with anything for years and I've never had an issue...even been through a crash or two.
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